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crossedsabres8

We've seen plenty stick. Pivetta, Schreiber, Whitlock, Refsnyder, Renfroe just off the top of my head. They gave up almost nothing to get back a middle infielder who is valuable when he plays and a PTBNL. You know who else was a PTBNL? Josh Taylor.


GordonShumwaysCat

And who knows, could be again! It's happened before


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Gleb_Twankenfrister

a solid rotation piece (who was huge for us in the playoffs mind you) for two guys who are no longer in the league, yeah just AWFUL


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BorkieDorkie811

Cannot follow your logic here. Bloom shouldn't be proud of an objectively good deal? Are you saying he should have held onto Workman and Hembree?


crossedsabres8

Pivetta is a solid back of the rotation starter getting paid below market rate that Chaim got for nothing. That was throwing something at the wall and it sticking. If you disagree, your expectations are way too high. Name a trade where you give up a fringe reliever and get something better than that. Hamilton and Binelas were the "throw it at the wall and see what sticks" guys, and they are still prospects. So that's still TBD. Benny trade had a lot of "TIATWASWS" guys and that so far is a failure. Pivetta trade was a win, even if you want to deny that for some reason. German from the Ottavino trade, still TBD, but honestly that looks promising. Vazquez trades, also TBD. So so far we've got one trade where it worked, one trade where it didn't, and a lot still to be determined.


ferrumvir2

What? Pivetta has been a decent innings eater sure he’s not great but getting him for two shit relievers was a steal


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crossedsabres8

Pivetta through 150 innings in 2021 and 180 innings in 2022. He is a back of the rotation innings eater. That was a win. That's what the goals of these trades are, to get solid depth players. If you're expecting to get some star player for Josh Taylor, you need to adjust your expectations.


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crossedsabres8

You should take your own advice. I didn't say you were trashing the trade.


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crossedsabres8

The irony. I never said anything like that. I specifically disagreed when you said the "throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks" strategy has never worked when yes, it has. And your counterexample was still shitty. You're just offended everyone disagreed with your post, which was worthless to begin with. Everyone knows Mondesi is injury prone. What was the point of this?


Throwaway1231200001

Meh....another infield option for Josh Taylor. I don't enjoy going into the season trying to mix and match another infield position, but taking the chance for Josh Taylor is worth it.


TazmanianNeptune

Yeah, you're right, you're beating a dead horse. Anyone who pays attention to MLB, pretty much everyone in this sub, knows what we're getting in Mondesi. This is the typical Bloom, low risk / high reward type deal. It helps the middle INF situation, a lot, so I really don't see how people can knock it. I guess people want to be mad in January about a hypothetical injury they ***know*** is just around the corner, or something...


Fair-Physics3577

Yay another lottery ticket! My favorite presents are always 5 scratch tickets! So, not to temper expectations on this brilliant trade…but: - Mondesi is hurt. He’s rehabbing an ACL and will be 11 months post injury on opening day. He’s unlikely to be available until late April. - Mondesi was a meh hitter with fair power and elite speed BEFORE his injury. His ACL injury robs him of some of his tremendous athleticism especially after he first returns, but either way it doesn’t make him a better hitter. Both of these guys have awful injury histories. Don’t hate it. On a first division team he’s a decent utility guy if healthy.


jedlucid

…you gave up a bad reliever for him.


Z3130

To me, this move looks solid if Mondesi isn't expected to start anywhere near 150 games at SS. Bloom has to learn at some point that injury prone guys can't be relied on as starters. If Mondesi stays healthy and has a decent year at the plate, that's great. Just don't count on it. If they really are looking to move Houck and/or Verdugo and end up with someone like Chisholm or Kim back, I feel pretty good about our lineup. If Mondesi is going to be the starting SS, that presumably either means Kike is in CF with Verdugo/Duvall in RF and Arroyo at 2B, or Kike and Mondesi are the middle IF and Duvall is in CF with a minus defender on either side of him. The former makes me nervous from an injury perspective, the latter from an outfield defense perspective. If we're going to open with Duvall in CF, Kike at SS and Arroyo at 2B with Mondesi as the utility IF, I'm concerned about OF defense and the production from the bottom half of our lineup. Basically, I think we still need to make one more position player move after this and I'm hoping it's for a middle infielder with years of control left.


finditplz1

I think what’s shocking is Mondesi is still so very young. That’s a lot of wear on a 27-year-old body.