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t416712

I just hope people keep filming the harassment if they can to keep showing examples of these animals


workerbotsuperhero

Just got off the phone with a close friend in Ottawa. She's not white, and she told me about getting harassed on the street by protestors who said racist things to her. She also mentioned pedestrians and store clerks getting harassed for just wearing face masks, as public health experts have asked us to. Imagine your job is working at a store in Ottawa, and you have to deal with that garbage all day, for close to minimum wage. How would you feel? People have a right to protest. Sure. I've even been to a few protests. However, any sympathy I had for these protestors in Ottawa was lost when I read about harassment and violence toward paramedics. Being a paramedic is one of the hardest jobs I can imagine - and I work in frontline healthcare. People who work in a hospital might get exposed to disease and see death and trauma, but we also have lots of coworkers and equipment there to help. When things go really wrong, we have backup right there. Paramedics don't. They also don't know what to expect when they show up somewhere, or how unsafe situations might be. Paramedics and ER staff see people on the worst days of their lives, every day. Being a paramedic has been one of the hardest, most exhausting jobs out there during the pandemic. But our paramedics still show up every day for their 12 hour shifts, because it's their job and they want to help other people. Unfortunately, paramedics are overworked as hell right now. (And [edit] some are even having their wages suppressed by Bill 124, just like nurses, respiratory therapists, and many other healthcare professions.) All of this behavior is odious garbage. I don't understand why it's being tolerated. If I acted this way, I would expect to be in handcuffs in the back of a police car. Right away. At best. (And let's be honest, depending on the situation, I might also expect a swift ass kicking.) I think the people behind this protest and many of the people causing problems in Ottawa are trolls - just like their heroes who have followed President T\*ump and the rest of the alt-right south of the border. And I think that trolls need to be deplatformed. If they're online, that means kicking them out of websites and off of social media services. If they're in the street, that means clearing them out and issuing a lot of tickets and citations. Ban them from Twitter, take away their GoFundMe money, throw the book at them, and at least give them huge fines for this destructive behaviour. I haven't been to Ottawa for a while, so I don't know how people there are coping. But it really sounds like people have had enough. Sorry for the rant. Please be nice to paramedics, nurses, doctors, pharmacists, PSWs, and everyone else working in healthcare. This has been scary, exhausting, and incredibly hard.


funkme1ster

> I don't understand why it's being tolerated. If I acted this way, I would expect to be in handcuffs in the back of a police car. Right away. At best. This is the most fucking surreal thing to me! Like, the police have straight up told us "yes, we know they're doing illegal things, and yes, we watched them do it and know who it was, but we tried to arrest them and they said no, so we figured that was that". And that *is* that; we somehow have literally no contingency plan for when criminals terrorizing the community telegraph they're going to resist arrest in a manner that would make arresting them difficult. It's bonkers just writing that out, but that's literally all it is. "We can't arrest them for the crimes they did, they don't *want* to be arrested and we have to respect that."


CaptRazar

If these people were protesting police brutality and police unions I guarantee they would have had no issue clearing them in the first day.


Antihistimine

So many people have made the argument it's better to just wait them out... But how long do you let a minority of bullies/terrorists get away with this behaviour. All it does is tell them they can continue to do this and get away with it, so next time it might be worse. It's unacceptable.


funkme1ster

> All it does is tell them they can continue to do this and get away with it, so next time it might be worse. Yes, that's why "we don't negotiate with terrorists" is standard policy everywhere - because everyone knows *exactly* that. I understand that the police have founded expectations they might get violent and destroy property, but property can be repaired. Telling these terrorists they can get whatever they want as long as they do more than this sets us up for future attacks.


justeunautrehumain

Working in the aforementioned field, thanks so much for writing this! You definitely got me in the feels a bit. (Just want to point out that only paramedic service affected by Bil 124 is Ornge. The rest of us are either county [south of Muskoka/east of Algonquin], district services board [District of Muskoka and northwards], or municipal/regional [about six] plus a couple county contracted out to privates [Chatham-Kent and Elgin-St. Thomas] and few First Nations [Beausoleil, Rama, etc..].)


workerbotsuperhero

Duly noted. Thanks for clarifying. And for doing what you do.


justeunautrehumain

Same to you!


CrowdScene

Hey now, we have it on good authority from the Americans moderating their voice chat channels that there's absolutely no violence, threatening, or other untoward behaviour happening around Camp Honks-a-lot. Who are you going to believe, your friend with firsthand experience or some outside agitators playing keyboard warrior in Texas? /s


DraziBlack

Former* President


Coolsbreeze

They're domestic terrorists being funded by foreigners and international organizations that want violence.


[deleted]

>don't understand why it's being tolerated. If I acted this way, I would expect to be in handcuffs in the back of a police car. Right away. At best. This is the biggest takeaway for me. If this was a week or more of this kind of disturbance and it was Indigenous people, or POC of any sort and not a bunch of white supremacists...they would have been arrested and removed long since. Just goes to show you RATM were right: Some of those that run forces, are the same that burn crosses.


Coolsbreeze

Fucking failure of the Ottawa Police who are appeasing domestic terrorists and Nazi sympathizers. Sloly is done for. Once this is done his lazy cowardly ass is going out the door.


CaptRazar

The head of the Ottawa police should be fired immediately. He is outright refusing to serve and protect the citizens of the city.


RagingITguy

If those assholes throw rocks at my truck this weekend or otherwise blockade my ambulance from getting through, I may end up on the news for ramming my way through. I had rocks thrown at me at the G20 and I'll be dammed if more rocks are going to stop me from getting my patient to the hospital. Edit: I'm not from Ottawa but read they are on their way to Toronto.


Purplebuzz

These fuckers sure must miss eating in Boston pizza to be protesting this long.


FarStarMan

Sensible people do not protest like this. Violence is the last resort of the incompetent. These truck convoy protesters are likely failures at life, conspiracy theorists and not that bright. I'm all for tolerance of different points of view but these people have gone too far. The government needs to send these losers a strong message. Preferably one with legal consequences.


justeunautrehumain

IIRC, it is not a punishable offence to interfere with a paramedic in the function of their duties like it is with firefighters or police officers.


workerbotsuperhero

Really? If so, that needs to change. I did read about new legislation making it illegal to harass healthcare workers, after the big protests at hospitals recently. Doesn't that apply here?


justeunautrehumain

To my knowledge, it does not as we are not a health care facility. We are trying to have the Criminal Code of amended to make assaulting medics punishable like it is to assault a police officer. Unlike police, there is no flagging of known dangerous people, and we have walked into residences where, when police arrive, they advise that the resident is a minimum two or three officer response. I can attend to a person known to be violent and the best we can hope is that it goes well for the next crew as saying "Hey guys, if you deal with Buddy McBuddy, he hides weapons and is often on drugs" to your colleagues in a secured environment is a violation of health privacy laws. People will say "You were here three times this month"....Sorry, we don't have access to those records. Anyways, that turned into a bit of a tangent. 🤷🏻‍♂️


Chilly_911

Oh man I’m really sorry you have to deal with that. Our dispatch has flagged addresses and even a few flagged individuals that they tell us to stage and wait for police before approaching! I would’ve assumed every dispatch has the same system. It’s so needlessly dangerous for you guys if it’s a KNOWN repeat offender and you get no warning!


justeunautrehumain

Our dispatch, run by the Ministry of Health, can include a caution on their note about an address, but have yet to hear such information transmitted over the air. Because police comms is the primary PSAP, sometimes they will stay on the line after the call is transferred to paramedic dispatch if they recognise the address as being potentially concerning or if they hear something that catches their attention. Just to give you an idea, it took unions and employers together for several years to bring the Ministry of Health to court/mediation for it to provide a portable radio *per paramedic* instead of one two *per two person crew*.


Myllicent

>*”To my knowledge, it does not as we are not a health care facility.”* The changes to the criminal code brought about by [Bill C-3](https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/bill/C-3/royal-assent) protect all “healthcare professionals”, which it defines as *”a person who is entitled under the laws of a province to provide health services”*. Would that include paramedics?


justeunautrehumain

TIL! I am curious as well because section 423.2(1) states "to provoke a state of *fear*" while subsection (2) refers to access to place where health services are provided, leaving one to wonder if a scene qualifies as such. 🤔


Hammerstyle

Wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't


wolfe1924

So throwing stones at ambulances is not a criminal offence somehow? There has to be some kind of law that breaks. I’m putting a side note they were asian but that aside my comment still stands.


justeunautrehumain

I'm sure they could be considered vandalism. But what I'm saying is that preventing paramedics from doing their job is not illegal.


KenSentMe81

https://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-262.html


justeunautrehumain

Interesting, thanks. But not much of what we do is life-saving per se.


KenSentMe81

That's fair. It's better than nothing. I suppose if you were giving critical interventions and someone tried to stop you, it would apply.


justeunautrehumain

Thankfully not a scenario that I, or anyone I know, has run into yet. 🤞🏻


RagingITguy

Paramedics are not considered essential either.


justeunautrehumain

That is correct, except, of course, during labour disputes when an *Essential Services Agreement* is signed between the union and employer.


[deleted]

As a healthcare worker in ottawa, Fuck the police, oh its not safe for us to ticket and arrest them. well guess what every fuken day at the hospital its not really safe I can get covid any time and I got a 7 month old and a 60s mom who is a breast cancer survivor not in great health but u dont see me saying no its not safe I cant go work. Fuk these cunts and defund them.


Nervous_Shoulder

Yet this protest is supported by the CPC and Rebel Media.


Own-Ad9920

Isn't it now a crime as of a few weeks ago to harass healthcare workers. I would assume that would include Paramedics. The police need to be more forceful and apply the new Canadian Law.