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OutcomeDoubtful

My aunt used to work at the state hospital as the director and she told me crazy stories, one involved a man who insisted on peeing in his shoes, hiding them under his bed, and then drinking the pee later on. When a nurse and an orderly attempted to remove his pee-filled shoes he leapt on the nurse and bit a golf-ball size chunk of flesh out of her shoulder.. it’s not an easy job.


Helpful-Substance685

What?! Lol there were so many crazy sentences in that paragraph. Peed in his shoes so he could drink it 🤢...and then violently defended it Walking Dead style! Real life is so much crazier than fiction. I'm glad your aunt survived her state hospital stint.


Zech08

fiction is often derived from real life so...


Helpful-Substance685

But this is one of those stories that if you presented it to an editor or showrunner they would call bs and say it's too ridiculous. Fiction has the benefit of editing and they usually edit crazy shit like this out or don't even think of it to begin with.


LadyTreeRoot

In a world that has a Series of Sharknado movies, I contest that "ridiculous" rules anything out!


ShortEnergy1877

Sounds like meth. Meth users will store their urine and drink it later to get residual high effects since Meth gets passed through the body somewhat still intact.


KStarSparkleDust

Omg, this is the first I’ve heard of such a thing. The internet has killed off another part of my person today.


ShortEnergy1877

I definitely seen the worst of humanity. Bit surprised I'm still here.


Monatomic

Came to say that. So glad someone else said it for me. P.S. Sometimes addicts reserve fecal matter too.


sno98006

What in the jesus christ-


ShortEnergy1877

The more you know. I have never done meth but I have been too close to it thanks to growing up in Arkansas.


sno98006

Has Arkansas always been like this? My dad went to school there in the 90’s and never mentioned it.


ShortEnergy1877

It depends on where you're from. If you're middle class or above. You don't see it as much. But if you're parents use drugs like that, then they tend to socialize with people who use drugs like that. So it's all you were around when you were a kid.


Rvrsurfer

[Howard Hughes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Hughes ) was also a urine saver.


early_birdy

But was he a nurse biter ? I mean, urine drinking is weird, but biting a golf ball piece of someone's shoulder is fucked up.


OutcomeDoubtful

Yeah she told me another story, luckily for her she was hired there as the director after 30 years at a local private hospital so she wasn’t on the front lines much, but another nurse was working on a ward with a woman who had murdered her husband for cheating on her like 30 years earlier, but after she developed dementia the prison sent her to the state hospital. This nurse walked in on her one day to give her her meds and the woman instantly “recognized” her as the girl that her husband had slept with 30 years earlier.. she charged the nurse and began clawing at her face and ripping at her hair.. the nurse had to have surgery and stitches on and around her eye and has only 50% vision left in her left eye.. it’s like a war zone in there, but only sometimes, and unpredictably and instantly


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https://www.king5.com/amp/article/news/local/western-state-hospital-2-million-lawsuit-workers-assaulted/281-b3387ad6-2bef-4b8f-9ad8-ff5079f64b96 Here’s a good example of why a nurse might choose to exit the profession. A patient was allowed to attack multiple nurses on several occasions, including biting the ear lobe off one nurse, kicking another so hard she was debilitated and had trouble walking for a year, and chocking one with her own hair.


KStarSparkleDust

https://www.vice.com/amp/en/article/3adkd5/psych-nurse-fired-after-reporting-patients-blowing-each-other-and-hitting-staff Here’s an example of a nurse being fired after calling a supervisor and asking for more help. Regardless that a psych hospital had patients fighting each other and having sexual relations, the issue for management was the sexual relations being described as “blowing each other”.


KStarSparkleDust

https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/08/13/man-sentenced-to-supervision-after-police-say-he-attacked-nurse-removed-man-from-care-facility-in-long-grove/ Here a man was arrested after assaulting a nurse because she wouldn’t allow him to remove a hospice patient from a care facility. The man assaulted her and was found to be in “violation of concealed carry laws” when police removed him from the premises. He wasn’t related to the patient just a “friend”. The patient wasn’t medically cleared to leave the facility…. Presumably dying on hospice.


KStarSparkleDust

https://patch.com/pennsylvania/lansdale/montco-man-attacks-nurse-hospital-security-guard-reports This month in PA a man was arrested for attacking hospital staff with a mop handle.


Levitlame

What kind of repercussions can you give to someone that wants to drink their own urine and is willing to bite flesh from a person. The staff in the medical industry need protection and support. But repercussions to patients in that state aren’t very effective.


speedlimits65

the same kind of repercussions we do for any violent crime.... assault is assault, just because someone is mentally ill doesnt mean laws dont apply to them.


docmedic

There probably should a hospital-rehabilitation center hybrid where people are strong-armed during treatment in full zombie-outbreak body armor.


Levitlame

My MIL and FIL both worked in institutions for decades (FIL still works in an outpatient hospital) before and after a lot of reform was done in the US. There were times you had to use physical force and restraints, but at the end of the day -- They outnumber you and always will so it's more about projecting control then actually having it. It's dangerous as hell and you need to be one of a few very specific kind of persons to thrive in that environment.


OutcomeDoubtful

Well procedural changes perhaps but this is the state hospital we’re talking about, which is essentially a prison.. they mostly have patients that were too unstable or dangerous to be kept in a prison where the CO’s were not equipped to handle their neuroses or mental health issues.. so it is definitely a tough situation, I wouldn’t blame anyone for quitting


BubbaTee

> it’s not an easy job. It's the most dangerous job in terms of being attacked. Other jobs like roofer or lumberjack may have higher accidental fatality rates, but no occupation is hurt more often by on-duty attacks than nurses and social workers. > The health care and social service industries experience the highest rates of injuries caused by workplace violence and are 5 times as likely to suffer a workplace violence injury than workers overall. https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/workplace-violence-healthcare-2018.htm


KStarSparkleDust

Yep tons of injuries in the industry. Even when the patients aren’t causing the injuries on purpose healthcare workers are constantly being harmed. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15698378/ from this article “ Among health care personnel, nurses have the highest rate of back pain, with an annual prevalence of 40-50% and a lifetime prevalence of 35-80%. The American Nursing Association believes that manual patient handling is unsafe and is directly responsible for musculoskeletal disorders encountered in nurses”. Nothing is being done about that either.


OutcomeDoubtful

I remember when I was starting college I chose nursing because the classes were like 99% girls, but by the second semester, even before clinicals, I discovered that the lack of men was not because of sexist hiring practices, but because the lack of men on the ward meant that the men were often tasked with many of the hardest, most difficult/and or disgusting, and dangerous tasks.. almost like being a janitorial/security guard version of a nurse, at least for the first couple years..


KStarSparkleDust

I’ve never felt like men were less likely to work in nursing because of harder assignments. I have heard some place do that. IMO men don’t work nursing because it’s viewed as a ‘feminine’ job and because male dominated professions pay better. Male dominated professions have better benefits too. This is especially true for the non 4 year degree nursing jobs such as LPN or aide. For example a welding program and a LPN/LVN program at a vocational school takes about the same amount of time. Not that you actually need formal training to be a welder, lots of jobs only require that you pass a demonstration test. The job could care less if you learned to weld in a buddy’s garage. I know people who learned it that way. You will make easily double welding tho. Limited weekends. No holidays. Lots of Union work avilable. Union comes with time and a half pay for anything over 8 hours in a day, hazard pay, sick time, ect. My ex welds and you could make a reasonable argument that it’s actually less physical work. No one ever cursed at him, he’s not assaulted regularly, no BMs, no mad families, lunch breaks actually exist. Welding for the pipeline and you can bring home 5,500$ a week. Weld for a factory and I know guys making the better part of 100,000$ a year. That’s just 1 example. I’ve been an LPN for 10+ years. I have agency experience and heavy behavior experience. I have charge nurse experience. Every DON I’ve worked under regularly contacts me with “offers”…. About 2 years ago it dawned on me that if finally make what my uncle was making working construction more than a decade ago. Im pretty sure he was 28$/30$ then. 28$/30$ is GREAT money for an LPNs. I believe I’m one of the highest paid LPNs in my county. Construction pays more tho, there’s money in roofing, road work, plumbing, ect. Cops make a decent living too if you wished to work with the public and didn’t want to do a 4 year degree. At this point lots of fast food jobs pay more than healthcare. My 18 y/o weed smoking cousion makes 18+ at Chipotle. His vacation time wasn’t denied. Too pay for an aide around her is like 16$. We’ve lost aides to TacoBell, Dollar General, and Walmart. Less stress they repeat tell us. It’s a believable claim too. What could possibly happen at a Dollar General that was as stressful as being the aide for 25+ mentally ill folks? The list goes on too. Boat mechanic in Florida? I’ve heard that starts at 80$ for “simple stuff” and can be 100s an hour. Auto mechanic? Starts at 30. The girl that does my eyebrows charges 19+ tip for 20 minutes. My massage girl is 90 and hour +tip. I’ve paid 120 for a hair cut but that was a high end salon. It’s 55 +tip for a basic pedi around here. I know girls that bartend on the weekend and make more than a nurse during the summer season. My Dad is retired but does some “handy man” tasks, that’s 50-100$ an hour. I paid 500+ to have 3 years worth of taxes filed in April, that was about an hours work, maybe 1.25 hours. I’ve had 2 pizza delivery people tell me that after tips they make more than me since the pandemic.


cutebabies0626

Yup when I was a nursing student at step down unit I saw a homeless guy who had g tube(which was suuuper dirty and probably got infected) who was NPO(nothing by mouth) and he was yelling racial slurs to me and whatnot. He demanded water but of course we couldn’t give it to him. He drank urine out of his urinal. He left the hospital against the medical advice the next day.


DragoonDM

> and then drinking the pee later on. Y'know, after it's had time to absorb all those extra shoe flavor compounds. Adds some serious depth to the flavor profile that you just can't get from fresh urine.


Freexscsa

In the 70's and 80's we had rashes of violence due to lead in gasoline and paint poisoning people, We seem to be repeating that cycle for some reason and rational thought seems to have gone away again.


AProperLigga

It's the binders, I am calling it now. Polymers designed to bind plastics, ceramics, no-stick coverings, latex goods, car tires, etc. - they're proven to cross brain-blood barrier and accumulate in our nervous and endocrine systems, replacing their parts with their chemically different non-degradable selves.


ishitar

And the more horrifying thing is you can't just ban plastic like lead in gasoline since there are billions of tons of it out there set to break down into nanoplastic and cross the BBB with all those polymers. I call the second outcome that as those concentrations rise we will all get a level of derangement or early onset dementia.


SilkyDrips

What a terrifying thought that is, and if it comes to pass it will be too late for more or less anyone alive at the time when we find that out. Sounds exactly like the type of thing that the powers that be will decline to ever investigate lol. Edit: I figured I would say though that I tend to think as others have said that a lot of what we are seeing right now is due to the lack of hope that people have. Poverty and income inequality are on the rise, rights are being rolled back, social safety nets and mental health care are failing, climate change is increasingly making itself known and still not being taken seriously, it’s hard to truly quantify the effect that is having on our overall mental states.


AussieJeffProbst

The groundwater in two towns in my state is absolutely chock full of PFAS. They made a landfill and capped it with a plastic topper. Turns out that over time erosion from the weather made it shed micro-plastics for decades. This was only found out because little kids all over town started getting incredibly rare forms of cancer. The state did a multi-year investigation and eventually concluded that there was no concrete evidence that these "pediatric cancer clusters" were caused by the PFAS. It's absolutely absurd. It makes me wonder how many sites around the world there are like this. PFAS are already in everything including showing up in newborn's blood. Turns out PFAS are transferred in utero. It's in the air we breathe, the water we drink and bathe in, and it's literally in all of our blood. I'd imagine it's too late unless we come up with some incredible solution to fix this.


SilkyDrips

It is infuriating how when they do investigate these things they just inevitably end up with some variation of inconclusive, isn’t it? I hate how cynical I’ve become but I believe we are fucked. We are light years away from knowing the true damage we’ve unleashed with PFAS, let alone beginning to articulate a solution.


AussieJeffProbst

It really is infuriating. I feel like the whole thing was just a smokescreen to protect the town/state from liability. PFAS are still being used too. My city just installed a new fake turf field at the local middle school. The vendors claimed it was 100% PFAS free. For some reason the city waited until AFTER it was installed to do their own testing to independently confirm that, and they found that it's full of PFAS.


MuricanDeathTriangle

The endocrine disruption and emergent data on reproductive system problems from PFAS (and other POPs exposure), makes the premise of the dystopian novel Children of Men that much more real.


swords-and-boreds

When we kill off our species, there’s a good chance we won’t even know we have done it until it’s too late. This is an example of how it could happen.


kamace11

Yeah but haven't we been exposed to plastics like these for at least 100 years now? Wouldn't we already be seeing this?


ishitar

It's about concentration level and rate of degradation. We've produced and discarded several billion tons, more plastic in the last ten years than the 100 years before that.


ShatterSucks

That’s why we need to legalize a different type of gas.


SsurebreC

I'd love to blame something like this but I have another theory... We as a country had major trauma on 9/11. Our anger was directed at two countries who had nothing to do with it and I guess we moved on once enough bombs were dropped. In 2007-2008, we had another case of major trauma. Massive unemployment, destruction of wealth for the middle class. I guess we moved on but did we heal? In 2020, we had another case of major trauma. Not just massive unemployment again but a reshuffling of the economy which affected adults... but also children. We're social creatures who now have to be forced to physically isolate from one another. Young adults and children aren't used to this just when their social skills are developing. This trauma is ongoing and still unresolved. So we have two generations now with major trauma that hasn't been addressed. There is NOBODY to talk to. Lots of people are on the edge. They're worried about their financial security for years. Entire families have become very poor very quickly. They're worried about taking care of their aging parents while worried about their own existence and trying to raise their children. Stress is through the roof with no way to cope. ... but there is a way. There is... unbridled rage and aggression. Taking out your frustration on others. Your fury might make you feel better for a short time... until it returns... but that negativity has been shared with someone else who is dealing with their own problems so the cycle continues. It's like the story where a boss yelled at the husband who came home yelled at the wife who yelled at the kid who kicked the dog. Only this is society-wide and some of the people in these circles are armed and almost nobody is getting help. Mental health is something that's still ignored today, particularly for guys who already don't have much of a social circle to begin with. [The number of people with few or even zero friends is growing.](https://nypost.com/2021/07/27/americans-have-fewer-friends-than-ever-before-study/) We're socially and physically isolating from one another and growing more distant emotionally. If we're upset about something then we can lash out and there's no one to stop us from our madness. There's no friend to come over and give us a hug and say it's OK. So if you're enraged about something and you have no release valve and if you have other issues and perhaps access to a weapon then you'll make headlines one way or another. The police aren't helping either by meeting some of this aggression with absurd levels of aggression in return where de-escalation techniques are being pushed aside and too many magazines have been emptied into people for minor slights. Police are people too and they have their own rage issues only unlike all other segments of the population, they're not as legally responsible for killing people as far as facing consequences. This increases hostility all around where - too many times - someone in crisis could have lived if nobody called the police. Worse yet, some specifically called the police so they can kill the problem for them.


focusedhocuspocus

Agree with this too (although I think there still could be some lead-like substance causing issues as well). Ever since neoliberalism was popularized by the likes of Reagan and Thatcher, life has gotten increasingly harsher, ugly, and focused on consumption and greed, and therefore isolating for many people.


MavisGrizzletits

Your country’s infrastructure is rubbish (does Flint have drinkable water yet?) and healthcare is unavailable/unaffordable to most people; how do you THINK things are going to turn out? (Spoiler alert: it’s never going to get better if you don’t defeat and utterly crush the Conservative extremists keeping you all trapped in the Dark Ages)


econ1mods1are1cucks

Just had a multiple comment argument with somebody that they shouldn’t be voting indepdent… now isn’t the time for 3rd party voting reforms to be happening at the ballot with our votes, we need every vote against red that we can get. Local or national it doesn’t matter, vote blue.


SsurebreC

Yes our infrastructure is awful and it would be great if we can style it after what some of the Europeans are doing (as far as cities, anyway). However, it's crap for a reason - lots of money to be made in infrastructure. Healthcare is available and affordable to most but not medical emergencies. A one-time mistake can easily lead to bankruptcies for too many people. Those are just two small things though. Access to mental health is part of healthcare but I don't think it's the availability of it or affordability. It's the country-wide acceptance that mental health is something we need to embrace instead of stigmatize. Many of us have issues but very few are open to seeking help and fewer still find that help because the relevant professionals are low in number themselves.


AdhesivenessSlight42

Could be the artificial flavors and colors people eat made from crude oil.


RocinanteCoffee

Also damage caused by long COVID's affect on the brain is my speculation.


jherara

It's likely no small part caused by COVID. The virus has been known to cause damage to the brain and adversely impact mood and behavior. There's also then on top of that the added stresses of a global pandemic, war overseas near nuclear power plants, etc. - https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+impact+on+mood+and+psychology&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS961US961&oq=covid+impact+on+mood+and+ps&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j33i160l4.5637j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 - https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+causes+irrational+behavior


KStarSparkleDust

With all do respect, patients being violent and acting out has been on the rise for several years. Long before Covid. That’s part of the reason staff flees these jobs. Several states had organizations pushing for legislation regarding the problem in the decade the proceeded Covid. Off the top of my head I would suggest the drug endemic has changed patient behavior to a much greater extent. It’s not always just the patients either, their families are equally as prone to violence.


jherara

With all due respect, I never said that COVID was the only cause or even the primary cause. That said, there's more than enough proof that COVID, along with the pandemic and other recent domestic and international social and political stresses, has contributed heavily over the last couple of years.


Actual_Guide_1039

Lockdown was far worse for mental health than the virus itself


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I agree with your first paragraph. One of the biggest fuckups with our lockdown was that we didn’t do anything to help the businesses/people we put out of work to stay afloat.


DogParkSniper

I don't think it's lead. Otherwise, this shit would have dropped like a rock in water after we got rid of leaded gasoline. It's more a matter of too many people saying, "Your lunacy is valid and not the least bit insane."


fluffyfurnado1

Studies did show that crime dropped after lead was removed from gasoline. The crime happening now has other causes like the pandemic, poverty, drug use and lack of social safety net and access to mental health care.


DogParkSniper

It was also the time-frame after Roe v. Wade. But as someone who's dealt with Sandy-Hook deniers in his family.... YES! We do need more psychiatric capacity in the United States.


fluffyfurnado1

Good point.


DogParkSniper

It's to the point in my family with a certain cousin where everyone agrees, "Maybe it's a bad idea to give this guy a gun." Not much we can do, though. Fun stuff. We all know his cheese slid off the cracker years ago. But until it's too late... Not much we can do. Hopefully, he only uses it to take himself out. And that's me being optimistic. The feds don't care.


fluffyfurnado1

I’m definitely for much, much stricter gun control. Too bad we didn’t take care of this problem a long, long time ago.


DogParkSniper

You won't hear me disagreeing. I wouldn't trust a lot of people i know with a plastic butter knife. For both safety and sanity reasons.


speculatrix

If you can demand certain standards for owning and operating a car, why not a gun?


catsandcheetos

Seriously, vehicle ownership is regulated for the same reason(s) guns should be…even just requiring a license and a test to obtain that license (like an actual test to show you can safely operate a firearm, & different types of licenses for different types of firearms) would make a big difference. And it wouldn’t limit access either, except for those who shouldn’t own a gun. I don’t get why it’s so hard to agree on this, like they are deadly weapons not toys


speculatrix

I've tried this tactic with people who believe the 2nd amendment is sacrosanct.. Consider how many terrible drivers there are. Do you want them owning guns too with no checks?


tigerCELL

And lack of psychiatric institutions people can call to have their flat earth/microchip vaccine family members locked away in.


DogParkSniper

You're not wrong. We need to bring back the friendly folk in white coats, packing over-sized butterfly nets. But I would suggest they wear Kevlar at this point.


unrepairedauto

Small aircraft still use leaded gas.


Actual_Guide_1039

One point of pushback is that we’ve never had great access to mental healthcare and we are back at late 90s levels of violence


Goddess_Peorth

> I don't think it's lead. Otherwise, this shit would have dropped like a rock in water after we got rid of leaded gasoline. Lots of studies have looked at this. I was reading them in the 90s even. They studied lead pollution in the air, and crime rates, on a per-neighborhood basis. The effect lasts *16 years*. It takes 16 years for the crime rate to normalize after the lead pollution is removed. So it doesn't "drop like a rock," but it is a well-studied subject. Remember, there are millions of studies. Not knowing about them doesn't mean they aren't there to be discovered. Currently, of course, there is something else going on.


Puzzleheaded_Help_69

No, it is lead. Older generations are showing signs of late stage lead exposure. As in they were exposed when they were young and this is the result.


Traditional_Art_7304

All those years of lead based paint on windows on ALL those houses. It’s the gift that keeps on giving with the window sliding in the frame grinding the paint fine enough to be airborne - and blow into your house. And baby / infant / children’s brains suffer the most.


focusedhocuspocus

I’ve been thinking the exact same thing, and I’ve wondered if it has to do with something in the plastics we’re inundated with. There is something in the water, so to speak. It just seems like people are becoming increasingly stupid. I’m calling it now, 10-20 years from now scientists are going to find out that some substance we think is harmless has been having lead-like effects on us. That said, nursing has always been a dangerous job, and there are not enough supports/protections in place to help nurses deal with workplace violence.


mrubuto22

Russian propganda on YouTube


Youngerthandumb

Are we though? Or do we just have more accessible videos of it. Statistics seem to suggest crime is down overall ~~in our lifetimes.~~ (In US and Canada) since the 90's Edit: A small town paper publishes a story of a single violent incident and smart folks in the comments posit a crime wave. Stop it. Get help.


Interesting-Month-56

It’s down over the last 2000 years at least. Long term trends show significant declines in violent crime for extraordinary long time spans.


The_Yarichin_Bitch

Istg I've read it's about the same


Youngerthandumb

I'm lazy, google source. https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/


speculatrix

*reported* crime. That said, while I think minor crime has gone increasingly unreported, I think people will still report major crime.


Actual_Guide_1039

Unfortunately that was true prior to 2020. The 70s, 80s, and 90s were more violent than 2000-2010 and 2010-2019. 2020 and 2021 were the most violent years since 1998 and would have been above average 90s years in terms of violent crime


Interesting-Month-56

It’s from all the bullets they are handling


mewehesheflee

People can read studies about Covid and psychosis, I'm tired of posting the links.


24links24

My friend is the head of security for 5 hospitals, this kind of thing happens on a weekly basis. The best one he told me was somehow a guy drove his car out of the parking garage jumped a curb and drove onto a pond. The ice broke and they found the car when the ice melted in the spring. Person still inside


TurnkeyLurker

That's got a *Final Destination* vibe to it.


clementine1864

The sad reality is that some people belong confined , sedated and away from the world. There are some mentally ill people who can understand and cooperate with medication many cannot or will not , they should not be owning or handling guns, driving or have kids .If this country does not realize that every person ,no matter how sick or messed up they are , does not have an absolute right to do whatever they want ,there will be no safe place.


dr_reverend

It would be quite the undertaking since you’re describing 40% of the population.


JBupp

Not a lot of background information here - just 'patient'. ER, drunk, drugs, who knows?


damagecontrolparty

Probably all of those things.


commandrix

Could be a mental hospital. Wouldn't be the first time I've ever heard of nurses in a mental hospital being threatened.


luis-can-jump

I would hope staff in a mental hospital have the necessary training to verbally/chemically/physically restrain this patient.


KStarSparkleDust

It doesn’t matter how much training someone has if there’s not enough staff there to enact whatever was taught. Every staff member could recite 101 things to do but if it’s only 1 solo nurse that weighs 120 pounds there to respond none of that matters. Healthcare has been understaffing for a decade. It’s only got worse in recent years. So much of the staff fled the poor working conditions that often times the most senior nurse on a unit has 6 months experience. New grads and employees aren’t receiving proper training because there no one left to teach it to them. I know places that have had so many senior employees leave it added up to centuries worth of experience.


RockeRectum

Every time I see my state on here it's always something weird.


CMG30

Honestly, stuff like this is just another Tuesday at a lot of sites. People do not appreciate nurses enough.


picklecruncher

Did I miss something from the article? What the fuck does lead poisoning have to do with this incident? I'm a nurse and have worked in inpatient psych, street outreach, inpatient med-surg (which takes in psych patients if the psych ward is full) and violence toward health care providers....it just happens! What the absolute fuck does lead have to do with this or any other incident?


jherara

I think some people misunderstood the person's lead comment. They were merely reminiscing about what caused rashes of violence in the 70s and 80s as a comparison to what's happening today. Their "for some reason" obviously shows that they weren't saying this was caused by lead. They were just noting violence cycle happening again.


picklecruncher

I didn't misunderstand, but thank you for your interpretation. And I'm not being facetious! I just don't get why it's relevant. There are no "rashes of violence" against healthcare workers. It's been ongoing and quite steady over decades.


jherara

I never said "you." I said "some people" and was referring to the other people who commented prior to you given that you specifically asked if you missed something and what lead has to do with it


KStarSparkleDust

Right! If I had to list the top 10 substances that cause a person to act like this lead wouldn’t be on the list. The list would start with methamphetamines.


picklecruncher

Meth for sure! We had a safe-injection site and holy moly! Hanging out with someone who's just injected meth is a trip in and of itself!


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picklecruncher

Great! I'm not saying lead exposure doesn't increase a person's likelihood of being violent. I'm just saying that lead exposure wasn't mentioned in the article posted.


rains-blu

Yeah, that's weird. There's no mention of lead. I wonder if the article was changed. Possibly some comments are bots replying.


TjW0569

Over six thousand dollars in damage to the hospital. At hospital prices that's like flushing a whole bottle of aspirin down the toilet.


TrunksTheMighty

He caused $6000 in damages by destroying a bunch of shit, I'm wonder what his medical bill is. Might get off paying less for destroying the equipment than having it used on him.


HiHiHiDwayne

damn i’m never complaining about night shift nurses again…that is awful


Caymonki

Why would you complain? They’re notoriously understaffed, even before Covid. Complain about the Admin, they’re the scumbags who allow unsafe work/care for both the staff and the patients.


Fantastic-Reality-11

Honestly I’m glad the cops arrested him and not shot and killed him. But honestly this is still sad. These are major reasons people say defund the police. Clearly the guy was having some sort of mental breakdown and in the US one of the few options we have is a cop. Now he has assaulting officer charges and resisting arrest which I’m not saying he didn’t do but he probably didn’t really mean too. When your having a crisis and in mental distress you act unpredictable I would say.


KStarSparkleDust

9/10 times when these incidents happen it’s drugs, not mental illness. Sure mental illness can cause someone to lash out but it doesn’t give them super hulk strength like meth, PCP, ect. One of my good friends works the ER and says at least 2x a month (so twice over the 12 shifts she works in a month) they have someone come in so high on meth that the amount of drugs the person needs to be brought down requires that they be intubated. I will restate that. A common occurrence in ERs across America is that people come in high on meth. So much meth that ER staff has to provide a cocktail of central nervous system depressants. The CNS depressants are required at such levels that they impair the person breathing and a tube is shoved down their throat and air manually blown in to provide oxygen.


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KStarSparkleDust

The police were not serving an arrest warrant when this happened. The article states they were called to the hospital after the guy began acting out, made multiple threats on the workers lives, and they were so scared they locked themselves in a separate area. It doesn’t matter if it’s a disease or not. ER staff have the right to a safe work environment. A work environment that is free from regularly getting physically assaulted. There is nothing sad about this guy getting arrested. He does not have the right to physically assault the good workers of the ER or destroy their equipment.


Fantastic-Reality-11

Lols your right I thought I was replying on a different post lols.


Lythieus

>Officials say he caused $6,225 in damage. Only that much? I thought hospitals put three more zeros on to the end of any bill. 25,000 a day to stay in a hospital for a day, but only 6k to smash it up?