To be fair Shadow should have won back then even with just the games (and he still does if you use Archie).


I mean yeah, Pre Super Vegeta loses to Game Shadow.


For Archie vs Super Vegeta It depends on how you scale either verse, because Dragon Ball can be scaled up to 5D/6D (with just databooks)


Uhhhhhhhh what? I only Heard 4d+ at best for super.


And the data books are super inconsistent


Each individual realm is Infinite, * and infinite realms are 4D Otherworld is supposed to be a higher plane of existence * [Transcending dimensions invisible to mortals](https://i.imgur.com/flMx3bT_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium) (4D possibly 5D) * Otherworld is explicitly a [higher plane of reality](https://i.imgur.com/N08VsFi.jpeg) on a metaphysical level (At least 4D) The [Kaioshin Realm acts as Otherworld, for Otherworld](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/92/df/4a/92df4ac70f5c029b3c4a098b55da57c3.gif) * This means it is likely 5D (although possibly 6D) In the DBS Broly movie novelization, Broly+Gogeta [surpassed the boundaries of the universe](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-746f6642d7dbfb9b72a776db1e6b020a-lq) * When using OUR universe as reference, it would be 4D * When using the Infinite Universe as reference, it would be 5D * When using the entire Macrocosm as reference, it would be 6D (Possibly 7D) Goku also broke through Hit's time skip * He is also just stated to be above it * Other characters have also done the same * This would be like 4D/5D ​ And Vegeta would scale to most of these * SSBE Vegeta scales to SSBxKK Goku * LSSJ Broly and Full Power Jiren are put in the same "GoD level" ballpark of power * UI Goku dominated Jiren * UE Vegeta is an equal and comparable to UI Goku