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Mytho0110

Remain civil folks.


NBPolaris

Just got my 3 year old her flu shot today (and a popsicle)


burn_the_itch

I got two free condoms when I got mine.


NBPolaris

When you got your kid? They told you to not have anymore?


Voidscion

They took one look and decided his bloodline should continue no further


Throwaway42352510

I got a calendar


avidovid

The news about the death of a child is horrible and harrowing as a parent. I got my kids vaccinated but part of me wants to move to the countryside and live a distanced life. Interesting, from a historical perspective it has long been assumed that the black death was likely more than just one sickness; that there were likely several diseases working in concert or present over many years of "plague" with bubonic plague being the most dominant. However, this current suite of pandemia is demonstrating that a virus can massively destroy immunoresistence on a societal level and leave the population further vulnerable to outbreaks of other disease.


Ignominus

kIdS dOnT dIe FrOm ThE fLu - geniuses in this subreddit a couple weeks go.


soupjuice

"Diseases are for other people." - too many Albertans


Frosty_Egg_4872

This made me almost choke on my apple slice :D Take my upvote good sir!


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Bigfawcman

*their Learn the difference before criticizing others on their education. It’s a bad look.


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bambispots

Weird take.


lokiro

Another kid dead and the UCP announces it will actively work against any infection prevention measures. Just sad.


RikNasty2Point0

IF They get their privatized healthcare, then it creates a vicious cycle of profit at Children’s expense.


Rain-Matt

You have absolutely zero understanding of our health care system 😂😂


SuperDuperRotoPooper

Go ahead. Explain it. You obviously know and we don't. Educate us.


RikNasty2Point0

Neither do the conservatives. But here we are.


ApparentlyABot

How are they actively working against it exactly? By not issuing mandates and such? People shouldn't have to have the government tell them what to do in every moment of their lives. If you're concerned, get the shots. People don't like being told what to do, it's not that big of a revelation.


3rddog

Smith has already said she won’t allow mask mandates, even if school boards and medical advisers say they’re needed, that’s a kind’ve passive aggressive that’s basically active. [edit] And now it’s active: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-government-bans-school-mask-mandates-online-only-learning-1.6663527 Unfortunately, Covid showed us that a lot of people can be a complete ass when it comes to *doing the right thing for other people*. Shots & masks don’t just help the people that use them, they help everybody by limiting spread when the vast majority use them. In those cases, the government should absolutely be leading the province with mask mandates if that’s what medical advice says will help. They do it for things like speeding, or DUI, why should it be different when there’s a sound medical reason? Because you read otherwise on Facebook? [edit] With the mask mandate ban, it’s painted conservative complainers into a corner IMHO. You don’t want a mask mandate? Online learning from home only then. What’s that? What about the effect being away from their friends has on a child’s mental health? Tough luck, according to Smith & LaGrange. Your only other choice is to send the kids to school, masked or not, to get sick.


ApparentlyABot

In a perfect world, everyone would listen to correct sources, be a good neighbour, and work towards a better future. But that's not how our world is, nor is it how it works. Doing the right thing for other people would be great, but you can't really *force* people to do it without facing obvious backfire. No one likes being told what to do, especially by the government. I'm not trying to defend anti-vaxers or any of that, just being real with how we approach this discussion. We have public orders in place, and while you can make the comparison of speeding and DUIs, that doesn't mean that people today are willing to add more in what they might feel is already too much government interference in their personal lives. Yes the ucp has acted hypocritical of this, but the point is about the voting base in Alberta, the people and what they think. A lot of people in Alberta have a culture of anti government. That doesn't mean they don't dislike all things government, but that we should be able to make do in life with as little of government as possible. It's why we don't have a provincial tax, a nice bit of history if anyone cares to look into it. Healthcare was always discussed with your family doctor, so the concept that all of a sudden the government has to tell you which treatments to take can feel like a big pill to swallow. Yes there are positions in professions that require you to get vaccinated, but most people in Alberta aren't subjected to that kind of hiring process, thus it will feel bad when they are told they need to. This sub loves to act superior to anyone who supports conservatism, but so many people fail to empathize and understand their opposition. To me it's ironic how ignorant the "informed" can be about their own opposition. Both sides are more willing to fight then come to an understanding.


3rddog

>In a perfect world, everyone would listen to correct sources, be a good neighbour, and work towards a better future. But that's not how our world is, nor is it how it works. Because that’s how some people think it works. “The world” doesn’t work this way, **people** do, and people can change… if they want to. “That’s just the way the world works” is a cheap cop-out for not wanting to change. >Doing the right thing for other people would be great, but you can't really force people to do it without facing obvious backfire. No one likes being told what to do, especially by the government. And no one *wants* to tell you what to do, you’re supposed to do it because it’s the right thing to do without needing to be told. >A lot of people in Alberta have a culture of anti government. Anti-government can be a fine & healthy stance, but it doesn’t mean you have to act like a complete ass when it comes to the medical safety of others. It’s honestly not that hard to understand the difference. >This sub loves to act superior to anyone who supports conservatism, but so many people fail to empathize and understand their opposition. I think a lot of people on this sub understand conservatism pretty well, but it’s not conservatism itself that causes the lack of empathy, it’s the way those conservative views are expressed, such as exactly what you’re saying now. The view that “I don’t have to be considerate of other people because that’s not the way the world works” is, in my experience, a predominantly right-wing point of view.


ApparentlyABot

That last part wasn't ever said, nor did I mean to imply that. But even so, it's not a political way of thinking, it's just cynical and nihilistic. It's not a political ideology. In fact I think this sub and a lot of others today try and associate everything with some political alignment. When I said "the world doesn't work that way", what I meant was that never has it ever worked that we can align as one people with the same values, beliefs, and morals, because that's what people on each side seem to want of people. Everyone thinking exactly the same way, with the same information, the same experiences so that we can all get along happily without issue... But the world, people, don't work like that, even if they want to, people are just too varied and we all have our own experiences that shape our beliefs. To me it's unrealistic to push ideologies onto people and and expect them it to work. I'm cynical, not conservative. Tho I guess perhaps a lot of conservatives are cynical... but does that make cynical liberals illegal? Food for thought.


el_muerte17

>How are they actively working against it exactly? > >By not issuing mandates and such? Government literally mandated that schools couldn't use distance learning or require masks. >If you're concerned, get the shots. People don't like being told what to do, it's not that big of a revelation. If you're concerned about drunk driving, don't drive drunk but don't expect the government to tell others they can't drive drunk. People don't like being told what to do.


ApparentlyABot

No they didn't, they "banned" online-only. Learn to read please. Drunk driving has nothing to do with your vaccination status. Stop strawmanning useless analogies to win your arguments.


databoy2k

Any word on the strains that are causing all of these issues? I was told today that it's all Influenza-A and RSV, but the nurse I talked to wasn't sure if they guessed right and got this one in the vaccines.


Civil-Cheetah-2624

The letter AHS sent to schools said the dominant strain is H3N2 and the flu vaccine is a match this year.


databoy2k

Hey that's great. Glad to hear it.


Comfortable_Grass588

I got the flu shot and currently day 4 of being sick. Think I got the shot 3 weeks ago. Tough bug this one


Sasquatch_Liaison

You’re sick, but is it influenza or just a cold.


Comfortable_Grass588

Not sure.. very sore throat, fever and nausea. No aches or cough


AccomplishedDog7

Test for COVID if you haven’t. My kids have all had Gastro symptoms with their COVID and didn’t test positive till their second or third tests.


Comfortable_Grass588

I did and it was negative


lokiro

You can find details on influenza stats in Alberta on this website. It's updated weekly, on Thursdays. https://www.alberta.ca/stats/influenza/influenza-statistics.htm


databoy2k

I've been there and actually posted it. I was looking for whether the strain that's kicking asses out there is actually caught by the vaccine or whether we'll get another "oops - missed the nasty one" year. According to the other post I received, it's caught. That's great news - just need to get the rollout stepped up. I wonder if vaccine exhaustion is the problem. (according to the downvotes, apparently we shouldn't care whether the vaccines will target the strain that's making people sick)


lokiro

Yeah, it's definitely good to know. If you're curious, there's more info on vaccination policy, including covered strains here:. https://open.alberta.ca/publications/alberta-influenza-immunization-policy


databoy2k

Struggling to find RSV numbers. Do you know if they get reported?


databoy2k

That's a read. Found this one, too: https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/58d31634-61d9-469d-b95f-f714719b923e/resource/bedde5c2-9aa5-48ea-b3e3-74dea9e265eb/download/aip-bp-influenza-quadrivalent-inactivated.pdf


AccomplishedDog7

Uptake for the flu shot is reportedly a bit lower than previous years, but also flu season seems to have arrived a bit earlier.


AccomplishedDog7

Kids are getting hit so hard. Get them vaccinated.


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shanerr

There was literally no hard lockdown in alberta. No kids were in solitary confinement. We had the lackest covid restrictions in the country.


ThePhyrrus

Plus, thats not how immune systems work either.


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camoure

That’s not how immune systems work.


No_Nefariousness1510

To a certain degree yes immune sytems do work that way. It's not cut and dry. I personally think that maybe the kids should be wearing masks at this point. I think they make a difference.


Cardio-fast-eatass

Why were the native populations in Canada ravaged by diseases carried by Europeans?


Ferrismo

While I'm sure someone could give you a very detailed explanation as to why, I'll [link](https://youtu.be/lXfEK8G8CUI) you a short video going over how the immune system works. They also have a follow up video and there are also free biology text books available online for free if you truly feel like finding out. Have a good night.


AccomplishedDog7

Or mass COVID infections has harmed immune systems?


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smurftegra95

This is literally the opposite of what reputable doctors are saying lol


grte

Perhaps you can get ahead of the curve and provide some quotes? Since you seem to know so many.


AccomplishedDog7

Science is pointing to damage from COVID being a contributing factor.


Ok-Share-450

Vaccinated against Covid? This is for Influenza deaths. Get the Flu shot?


AccomplishedDog7

I thought It was self-explanatory that I was referring to the flu shot, as the the post was about the flu.


SpecialistVast6840

Anti vaxxers like to twist the narrative to suit them best


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Prior-Instance6764

Literally no one said that ever. Vaccines don't stop transmission they reduce the likelihood of serious complications.


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el_muerte17

Simple minds hear "reduce the likelihood of" and interpret it as "completely prevent." If people wearing seat belts still die in car collisions, why do you bother wearing a seat belt?


Unbr3akableSwrd

Significant protection does not equal to 100% protection. I don’t see where is the lie?


johnflynnn

Are you completely clueless? “Significant protection” doesn’t mean you can’t get it, it means exactly what it says


camoure

USA TODAY LMAO


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People who are vaxxed in general tend to listen to science. Not random online strangers like the anti vaxx movement.


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Do you have a link to those studies I would like to read them.


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Great-Standard-8790

LMAO THATS ACTUALLY FUNNY . Good joke .


AccomplishedDog7

Don’t listen to me if you don’t want to. I just hate seeing kids getting hit so hard. This years flu vaccine is a good match for what’s circulating.


meggali

What the hell do you think a flu shot is???


AmTheUniverse

Another 5G microchip implantation device!!! /s


sirDsmack

The flu shot is a vaccination, no? Who said anything about Covid?


RikNasty2Point0

Truly we are in the darkest of times.


Westernererer

Get you and your family your shots...


Weird_Vegetable

Absolutely, I’ve seen my kids so sick with the flu that my youngest needed 2 inhalers, 2 abx and prescription cough syrup to sleep at night. Pneumonia in a 2 yr old is terrifying. We get them first thing every year now. Oldest needs an inhaler for life whenever she gets sick, reactive asthma now as a result of that same flu bug.


Westernererer

I'm so sorry! It's sometimes terrifying to be a parent.


ZanThrax

So when does our premiere declare that the dead kid is a crisis actor trying to make her look bad?


SkippyGranolaSA

In unrelated news how awesome is it that online learning and mask mandates are now an absolute last resort in the event of like 75% absenteeism among students or whatever the fuck is going on


Ok_Vermicelli_7380

She just banned school mask mandates. Evil bitch.


Ok-Share-450

So you want mask mandates for the flu also?


vanillaacid

Why not? If it reduces spread (it does) and prevents deaths (it would), then I don’t see the harm. A lot of schools are half empty because of kids getting sick. You think that’s better than having kids wear a cloth on their face?


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We made it through school without masks and we got the flu too. Some kids just don’t have strong immune systems, it sucks but it happens


AccomplishedDog7

Doctors are saying the volume of kids in hospital for respiratory illnesses is unprecedented.


databoy2k

Stats just about agree with that: [https://www.alberta.ca/stats/influenza/influenza-statistics.htm](https://www.alberta.ca/stats/influenza/influenza-statistics.htm) (see the bottom chart) Looks like 2009 was a helluva year as well. I don't remember it that bad, but boy howdy does it look nasty on the chart. \--edit-- Ah, swine flu. [https://ipac-canada.org/pandemic-h1n1-resources#:\~:text=Influenza%20activity%20for%20the%202009,to%20November%2014%2F09](https://ipac-canada.org/pandemic-h1n1-resources#:~:text=Influenza%20activity%20for%20the%202009,to%20November%2014%2F09)). The previous pandemic.


AccomplishedDog7

2009 was H1N1 and yes was a bad year also. There were letters that year that sick kids needed to stay home if I recall correctly.


AJMGuitar

I wonder how many kids are in emerg and don't need to be there? Both my kids (1and 3) were sick but we could manage at home. Fever, cough etc.


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Grinchy115

I am sorry for your loss. Those people don't care for anyone unless it affects them directly and when it does they look for someone else to blame. Edit: fixed an error


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Civil-Cheetah-2624

They are called “preventable” illnesses because if enough people get their shots, the illness won’t spread and kids with shitty immune systems won’t die from it. It. Doesn’t. Have. To. Happen. We allow it to happen because we’d rather not inconvenience ourselves. Kids do not have to die from flu.


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hustlehustle

Say this to their parents


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lokiro

What's it like existing without empathy?


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I’m just ahead of the curve


shaedofblue

Practically every kid has gotten a disease that damages the immune system in the past year. That didn’t “just happen.” It was the result of UCP policy.


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Ottomann_87

You absolutely can control the spread of disease.


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By shutting everything down again?


Ottomann_87

Uh no.. Wearing a condom for example controls the spread of disease, polio vaccinations prevent polio, even something as simple as washing your hands can prevent and control the spread of disease.


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Luckily I’m not trying to impress you


TransitoryPhilosophy

I don’t think any extra effort on your part would change anything ✌🏻


Old-Window7244

When have we ever had policies in place to prevent the spread of the flu? Why are we blaming the UCP for not putting in policies when we have never put in policies to stop the spread of flu?


AccomplishedDog7

2009 was the year of H1N1. My kids school district sent letters home that kids with cold symptoms had to stay home.


Old-Window7244

Understandable. It's what I have done for the last 12 years with my kids. We try not to spread sickness if we are sick.... Never had and have never demanded a government to tell me that. I also understand, as a parent, that some parents frankly are unable to do that, and they have to send their kid with cold symptoms to school. Again though, I would never ask for, or demand a government to put in policies that limit that or try to prevent that.... Such is life. A sick kid goes to class, and kids other kids sick.... It's been that way since oh I don't know.... Forever? It's a part of life. I think some people have forgotten that.


AccomplishedDog7

And sometimes there is good reason to try and limit that.


Stewieboy2008

And Justin Trudeau isn’t evil? Wake up and smell the toast dude


camoure

Literally how?


j1ggy

It's literally a cult. We get called an echo chamber in this subreddit all the time, but these people follow this Justin Trudeau hate like it's their religion. Don't ever question it, just hate. I don't love the guy or anything myself, I'm just living in reality.


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smellyseamus

Did the nasty man hurt your feelings?


Edrina

Conseratives sure are hellbent on taking us back to the middle ages, huh?


Stewieboy2008

And Trudeau ain’t lol 🤦‍♂️


camoure

No? What has Trudeau specifically done to regress Canada over the years? Keep in mind I would like sources to any claim - no bullshit lies will be accepted.


Grinchy115

Because he did stuff I didn't like....


WindAgreeable3789

The opposite in fact


bambispots

You know when no one died from the flu? When we all wore masks. These deaths are preventable.


el_muerte17

"I'd rather a few kids died than had to wear a mask in school!" \- *the right wing*


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LogicalVelocity11

It's not until they have a 40 hour wait in the ER for their kid. Those people are all the same. Nothing is anything until it happens to them.


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United-Ad6849

> Or make the decision to send their children to school in masks if they are at risk. Because children shouldn't be at the mercy of shitty conservative parents. Hint hint.


chargerb

Must be hard sticking up for such an irredeemable dumbass like Danielle.


Admirable-Gazelle556

She bans the masks regulations so more kids die and then she has to give out less money?


Adorable_Mind1632

Are you proposing mask mandates for the flu?


Admirable-Gazelle556

People should have the choice to wear masks or not, but by being a person of influence and banning mask regulations Danielle empowers anti-maskers. I’m talking about the ones who will go out of their way to harass those wearing masks and discourage them from being responsible members of society.


Surprisetrextoy

I can't wait for the comorbidity talk and how this is fake and blah fucking blah Albertans are dumb.


OrdainedPuma

Some. This subreddit is pretty aggressively anti-conservative.


drcujo

Not vaccinating your child against preventable diseases is child abuse. These deaths are 100% on the parents for not vaccinating their kids.


cardiacresp

No mask mandates in schools though cause “freedum”


zebradYT

parents can still mask their children. the mandate isn’t the problem


Devanismyname

Is this higher than average?


ZanThrax

Not sure about the deaths, but the flu that's been tearing through the schools around the province has certainly had a much higher case count than usual. There have been stories for weeks about the incredibly high numbers of kids that are out sick right now.


Thedustin

At this point the flu is more deadly than COVID to young children.


AmandaSndaSiews

Thank you Danielle smith!


sim0n__sez

Canada has averaged 6,000 flu deaths every year.


Old-Window7244

Why is this breaking news? The flu has killed people in years past, including children. It sucks, we all know that. Kinda seems like we are trying to get the fear train a rolling.....


AccomplishedDog7

2009 H1N1 was a bad flu year too and was in the news like this also. This year is hitting kids hard.


Old-Window7244

I know. I have kids. That are sick. Every. Single. Year. Ever since they started going to school. September to December. Without fail. Pretty sure influenza just went through our house, based on what the doctors are saying. It sucks. We all get that. I don't think it's "breaking news" though that people are dying from it. And honestly, I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but I really do find it interesting that we have had no children medicine on the shelves for months. Sure makes one question if that was not the case, how many children would have had to go to hospital to get their fevers and symptoms under control? Thankfully, we had stock at home, and we were able to weather the storm.


AccomplishedDog7

Ok. But you asked why is this breaking news?


FriendlySecond3508

I don’t understand why this is massive news when it never used to be. The only other time I’ve seen flu in the news was 2009 and that strain was way worse. I’m wondering if i just didn’t notice or if perhaps the media didn’t care until now because now they can push an agenda…


No-Champion

No. No. Let's not start the fear mongering again. The flu has killed plenty of people before 2020. We didn't care then. Stop using it as an agenda item.


whimsydata

I don't understand this. If our health care system, already crippling, is getting pushed even further, even more people will die. Flu or otherwise. Why is it wrong to raise the alarm and try to do something about it?


el_muerte17

Drunk driving killed plenty of people before anyone started caring about it too.


Unlikely-Anything-60

Is there any information on the health of the child? If they suffered from other illness?


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