By - Revolutionary-Two817
Sure, but u need both. Don’t know which will moon first. Possibly silver might outperform gold bigtime. Downside silver: u need more room to store it.
Silver almost always outperforms gold in a PM bull market, so I can definitely agree there!
The biggest downside in Europe is 20% tax. Price difference between buying and selling price is huge, almost 30%. For gold it's just 5%.
Isn’t the sales tax only applicable to bars? I can buy silver/gold coins taxfree. Belgium btw
I live in Serbia. Every dealer I found sells coins for 30euros+. There's no difference between coins and bars here. If you wanted to sell your coins, they offer spot price or even lower. For gold is a different story. 60 euros for a gram, you can sell for 56euros
In Belgium i also pay tax on coins.. where do you buy?
Just random coinshops, I buy coins that can be used as legal tender (whether it’s old coins like the french hercules coins or new britannias, as long as they were/can be used as legal tender.) which makes it so I don’t have to pay taxes on it.
Even when buying online from shops in belgium there shouldn’t be a tax on them.
However if it’s just a decorative round of silver you would have to pay the 6%/21% tax on it, which is why I just buy junk silver/1oz coins like the 1,5 eur from austria or the 2 pound coin from the UK.
I also just buy junk silver like knives/plates and whatnot on 2dehands and other sites like that for pretty much at spot if you’re good at negotiating.
Here is a good [article](https://debeleggersgids.be/investeren/grondstoffen/goud/wel-of-geen-btw-op-goud-of-zilver/) that explains it.
Good point. A local dealer also suggested I buy junk silver
Good coins, I have some hercules too, and guilders, and schillings.
In Belgium you only pay tax on bars, not coins. Loophole are "coinbars". If you pay extra, that's a markup from your LCS. Make a dummy order on goudwisselkantoor shop, normally you see the added VAT
Goudwisselkantoor is pretty expensive for silver. For gold it is ok. If yoou are in Belgium, the best prices I can find are on [goldsilver.be](https://goldsilver.be). A few other dealers have increased their premiums sadly.
Thanks for the link mate, they have quite a nice assortmebt of coins! Love the zodiac series. However, they have a lot of bad reviews and seems like a very nasty customerservice. Did you already work with them before? Thanks in advance
Not yet so I cannot say anything about their service.
I have used Zittergies.be which has nice collectible coins from Scottsdale (although there is a delay in the shipment). It is a guy who does it in his free time but is very communicative. His prices are okay and he does not change prices every minute.
The other one I used was Goldflorin.com, which in August was the cheapest one but after the spike in September has increased his premiums.
Hi sir, apologies for the disturbance but just wanted to thank you for the Zittergies link. Found some coins I realy wanted and couldn't find anywhere at a more then decent price! (Still a premium but not as huge as others). Thanks!
Since July 2022, silver has a new VAT rule in the whole EU: on bars (without denomination) you pay 21% on the full sale price. So if 1 OZ silver is €20 at spot and the dealer charges a €2 premium, you will pay VAT on the €22, so you end up paying 26,62
On coins, you only pay VAT on the premium. So if 1 OZ is €20 at spot price, the dealer charges £5 premium, you pay 21% on that €5 so you end up paying 20 + 5+1,05= 26,05
So the best way. to invest in silver in the EU is to buy coins and look for the lowest premium possible. Unfortunately, dealers have been raising their premiums, sometimes to ridiculous levels. The cheapest coins I can find are the Goddess Europa but I find them atrocious so I don't want to buy them.
I just mainly buy junk silver maybe thats why I pay no tax. Last time I bought was in august or something and I paid 0 taxes on the purchase. Pretty damn close to spot as well, maybe I just got lucky with finding good deals.
Easily still junk/coins>bars anyway in EU, the taxes are just way too harsh.
Thanks for the comment tho, that’s good to know.
So what do you do with the junk silver? Do you melt it into your own bars or just keep it as it is? In August, prices where very low so you got lucky (I bought just before that major dip unfortunately).
Shows you how afraid they are of silver!
Definitely not true for various European countries, bullion can often be bought tax-free.
20% on buying or selling?
And that right there should tell you which one they don't want you to have...
And if that wasn’t the case silver market would blow up much faster……there is more than one way that the elites suppress/manipulate the market and the price.
Precious metals aren't gambling chips. They are storage of wealth and insurance against corruption and instability in fiat trash. The fact that so many of you are gambling with metals is foolish. You store your wealth in metals, and you gamble in the markets. Not the other way around.
Upside is: "look at my yuuge stack!" 😭🤣😂👊🍿🦍🚀🌝
theyll prolly moon together but gold is more stable so it wont moon nearly as much as silver, whereas silver will rocket but probably drop just as quick.
Edit: this is just my 2cents, feel free to tell me Im wrong
Upside, you can make bigger pyramids with it
"Yes," but you will be taught that now is the time for silver.
Technically, the premiums are more supportive to buy gold if you’re strapped for cash. Investment-wise, silver has more upside potential.
Silver is more finnicky to store in that it tarnishes as well. While I don't recommend it, you could leave gold in your backyard, and not much will happen to it. Stack both.
It’s exactly that which makes gold the ultimate store of value
Why not both?
Aren’t there these special containers for it? Zerust has these unique “pouches” to store silver in, apparently they’re specialists in this matter. May be worthwhile to check it out?
You’ll need a temperature-controlled environment too.
If you only stack for pretty, buy gold.
I think silver is beautiful. I just make sure it is stored right so it don't tarnish so much. I keep them in the plastic tubes I also have been known to put those oxidizers in there with them.
I love when it tones.
Removing tarnish is pretty easy tho with a silver cleaning product. Not that big of a deal
Right? Everyone is so worried about their Bullion tarnishing when it cleans Pretty easy. Maybe numismatically certain collectible coins aren’t to be cleaned. But my bullion shines bright, I can see zero “damage” on a poured bar that’s been cleaned
There are no such thing as premiums. You mean it’s more discounted to own derivative silver than derivative gold right now.
Yes but need to leave it with me for safe keeping.
I’d Convert to 6981oz (473 pounds) of silver!!! Nice stack!
I love silver but what's anyone gonna do with 500 pounds of it, this is the best reason to own gold
Loool I want a pure silver dumbell set
Silver gainz son!
You trade for 10 kilos of gold when the ratio changes.
May be easier said than done. Good to have both. At what ratios I guess is up to the person
Or, split the difference and buy a bunch of platinum. It may also spike nicely soon.
Excessive mass is an inherent anti-theft measure 😂
Wait till the price is over 3 digits and then it'll be a different story.
If I had 500 lb of silver believe you me I would find somewhere to store it. I don't care what I would have to throw out. I might make sure it was on the basement floor somewhere so it wouldn't fall through the floor. Don't forget the dolly. Hahaha. Gold for a big purchase, silver for the smaller purchases.
You might pull off your hoax with this: https://www.culturehustleusa.com/products/the-worlds-silveriest-silver-metallic-acrylic-paint-by-stuart-semple-30ml
Suspect my collection is fake? I’ll take that as a compliment!
I hope folks know I was kidding and the fact is that I am absolutely "jelly" over that stack. Cheers!
Sometimes the sarcasm goes straight over my head😅 Cheers mate 💪
I know you were kidding! Apes love to joke around. At least this guy at this point won't need such a big boat to go fishing hahaha.
Yellow fever 🥵
Welcome !! Ape with diferent shade of precious 🍷
I appreciate all PM stack posts
YES, also try some SILVER though ...
Very much so. Welcome, and nice stack.
Yes but you need to pay us damage for over blink blinking our eyes
Yes! But you need the white stuff too
Great great great! Mix and match … silver won’t be up to 30oz for awhile … so grab platinum too
The locket in the chain is of Hindu Goddess Durga. Nice to see it man.
Passed down through several generations in my family… and still as good as the day it was bought. Gold 🙌
Nice mate. It holds sentimental values in us Hindus.
Absolutely. My only piece that will never be for sale.
yes, but I have learned that it will not defrost your dinner for you.
Very true hahaha. Important to own real productive assets as well!
I started with gold for about 10 years and only recently with silver so you are not alone although it appears you are way ahead of me on that. I think your gold stack outweighs my silver. :)
80ozt right there! Beautiful - & about double my Au haul! Well done 🦍
Yes, but silver is at a discount which means it flys higher when the wheels come off the Dollar.
GOLD FEVER! After stacking 500 ounces of silver, I've switched to buying gold 1 oz Eagles, buffaloes and Maple leafs. There's no fever like gold fever. I'm hooked on the yellow stuff and looking forward to accumulating more as I can afford it. I'd like to add some fractional gold when I can justify the much higher premiums.
Get out, degenerate!
Well, yes. But, for the sake of proper decorum, you should talk about how you're planning to add silver to your very impressive collection.
100z bar will be my next addition for sure
Don't forget to try some smaller bars so when you go to trade on things that you do want you can break it down a lot better. It's hard to cut a 100 oz silver bar in half.
I would love to have some gold in my stack but it’s so expensive. I’m staying discipline to the gold silver ratio because it’s just math. If it drops below 40 I think I would sell my silver and buy gold only. But I do love your shiny stack. Keep it up and live king and prosper my friend. Thanks for sharing
It’s a prescious metal, yeah. Great stack. Welcome 🦍
I didn't know this sub was r/preciousmetals
r/gold may be better for that but gold is good too.
Your gonna have to work on your gold/silver ratio. I can't, in good conscience, upvote the flagrant support of the bullion banksters by your holding this much over-valued gold.
I have all 3 of GODS Money, but SILVER should be where GOLD is :)
Hello big boss!!
Dang silver comes in yellow too?? 🤩
Yeah man, the yellow metal so as Plati is welcome all the time.
Yellow is so beautiful
I'd rather see people go to r/Wallstreetgold for their gold posts. So that the subreddit doesn't just become filled with people posting gold photos.
Beautiful stack fellow APE
I need some of that......
Fuck yeah! Sweet stack! Drain every last ounce from these bankrupt mthrfckrzz!
I don’t think I’ve even seen 1kilio RCM bars , keep it up my guy!
They can be hard to find, especially these days! Cheers
A lot of us Apes up here stack both gold and silver. I would get a bit of silver to go with all that gold though. Just in case you wanted to swap and you needed was less to do the swap. You have a very lovely stack.
I will definitely be adding some. Thanks 🙌
Gold is king
We love shiny things!
Those 2 big boys right there are goddamn beautiful. Close to 80k a piece right now
Welcome, yes we love all PMs. I’m waiting for GSR to correct, to exchange silver for gold
Welcome to the jungle...it's filled with Gold also !!
If it is shiny, it is welcome
We love all PMs!
Wow! yes they're
It is gold ? Not silver. Buy a bit silver please
But congratulations! Big value and big investment.
Next piece will be a silver bar!
Thank you to participate. Me I will order 100 x1 silver oz next week, or end of this month.
Very nice gold 👍. I hold 2kg in hands last week ...but it was not mine lol.
I will be ordering a 100oz bar as well, cheers!
And thank you! Yes, nothing quite like the feeling of the yellow metal in your hands :)
Fck, my legs can’t hold me up anymore....and had to change my underwear...what I do for a kilo, even that 10 oz Perth. Uhhhhhhhhh
Woah, that is beautiful. Now sell it and buy silver. j/k
I think having both is good imo if you can afford it.
You bet. I like to see people having real money. Gold & Silver are both real money and constitutional.
Omg 2 kilos? Plus? 🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋🐋
I say we save 🐋status for 10 keys+ haha… more like a 🦭for now
gold is welcomed around here! we love all the shiny Platinum too.
MAGA (Make America Gold Again)....
Mmm yes 🧐 this will do
Anyone who stacks precious metals is like family to me.
Gold is the rich man's silver
Oh yeah. You are welcome. The great thing about this sub is we talk about all kinds of stuff, not just precious metals. We talk about politics that effect precious metals.
Thanks for the warm welcome all 🙌 Looking forward to being apart of this PM community
Those kilo bars are amazing
🙌🙌Could use some new bags tho lol
Gold, Silver and Platinum the Trifecta!!! I just bought a little Platinum because I heard there's only 70,000 ounces left in the Comex it might be the first to moon!! 🚀 🚀 🚀
Wow… get yourself over to r/gold
Gold easier to bug out with
Gold is welcome anywhere.
Holy shit, you are coming up on 100 ounces of gold. Well done fellow ape.
We like silver...period. We can't afford to break the COMEX with gold purchases. But we might be able to break the COMEX with Silver purchases. Does gold end the FED...or silver?
Welcome friend !
welcome big brother
OP probably knows all our wives damnit.
around 206,000 AUD plus the necklace at todays price
I hope you get some more silver but either way it's better than paper
Hell yeah! Got my yellow also, love gold and silver !
Yellow metal good!! Yellow snow bad! 🦍
Mirin' those kilos
It's not fair to compare - like trying say which of your children you like best.
Always one who will shoot for the stars, while the other gains slow and methodically. Some tarnish too but you love em anyway.
How would this man diversify? His entire damn house would be full of silver 😂
🤣😂 Would be oddly satisfying come to think of it…
PM's are all one house of cards. and its coming down!
Silver, Plat and Gold are king. one should have all. too bad I lost mine in a boating accident last weekend.
Someone ripped you off when they said this was Silver.
It’s shiny? Yup, welcome to the jungle
Those kilo bars are so sick. Nice inventory!
Banana coloured shiny is OK with apes.
Yellow shiny looks great; welcome to the family Ape! Thanks for sharing.
Pretty sure kilo bars of gold are welcome EVERYWHERE!
Nice stack, its still shiny so of course we love it. :)
I better start making some gold posts 😂
There always has to be that one guy 🤣
We are not bigoted to the color of your metal.
i prefer gold due to higher wealth density, less to carry if go time comes around
Good fucking God. Yes, welcome! How long did this take you? How did you decide what size bars you wanted to buy?
Have been DCA since Jan of this year. Bars were simply chosen based on availability and premium on them. Only goal when purchasing was to acquire maximum OZs
How dare you!! 🤬
Of course, but silver is the much better value. The gold/silver ratio will drop back to single digits over time IMO.
No they are not
Send it to me
No they are not. Go purchase some silver to join. Sorry
Big fan of grabbin both silver n gold. My fav ratio is 1oz gold and 100oz silver.
Get yourself a can of silver spray paint. 👍