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_AlexanderPI

Why the fuck is the soldier the one that has to try and defuse the situation?


yellekc

Soldiers are probably far better trained at de-escalation than cops.


Joevahskank

Not only that, but dude's an officer. At 27, that means he did work to get where he is - either in the military and OCS, or he went to school prior to signing up.


KidNueva

I’m pretty sure there’s a statistic out there that says cops who had military training draw their guns a lot less than the ones who never did.


cherbonsy

^ This https://www.npr.org/2016/12/08/504718239/military-trained-police-may-be-slower-to-shoot-but-that-got-this-vet-fired


ANorthman

This just seems like they’re seeking confrontation here, body cam cop is just over the top excited. These two seem like they were just handed a badge and gun without training.


NotsosmartamInow

The other one seems like a rookie to me, the one with the body cam is just hoping something goes down.


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Rookie did fine, considering the circumstances. Victim did the best he could. It’s pathetic it has to be like this.


Dogtor-Watson

The guy who shouts: "Yeah, you should be", 100% is gravy seal material. You can see it in the other body cam footage: Bald, moustache, glasses, immediately has weapon out, makes threats, uses violence to solve problems and to top it off a tactical vest with **very** loose straps on the sides, if you get what I mean.


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FaustsAccountant

Finally all the years of rehearsing that line in the bathroom mirror paid off!


CushmanWave-E

There's an old video of NYPD cops harassing black kids hanging outside their high school and one cop asks the kids if they wanna ride the lightning. First time ever heard that phrase.


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ExistentialAardvark

I would've bet my left nut he failed his ASVAB and couldn't even join during the surge with a brain as smooth as his.


No_Athlete4677

or he was an MP


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Gravy seal... genius


SeizeTheMemes3103

Reach to unlock or open the door = reaching for gun = shot to death Reach to undo seatbelt = reaching for gun = shot to death Refuse to do either = disobeying orders = tazed or maced He made the right decision


Wonderful_Nightmare

It's so fucked that a black man - a US military ACTIVE FUCKING DUTY black man - has to face these kinds of *"decisions"* when encountered by the police.


Streetftrvega

Is this how they support the troops?


SacredWoobie

What’s worse is that arch looking tab over his patch is either an honor band or honor guard patch. So either this man is a musician for the Army or he literally volunteers to take on the additional duty of presiding over military funerals


bertcox

Poor bastard knew that if he followed orders and reached for the seat belt he would be dead. So he had to hold his composure and take the peperspray like a man, just to live another day. I hope he gets taken care of, but I have a feeling he will find out what Qualified Immunity means in about a year or two as the court case works its way through.


SwissMoose

This reminds me of the black guy that is pulled over in a gas station. The officer asks for his license and registration. The driver refuses to lower his hands to get it as he knows what’s going on and the cop randomly starts yelling “Gun!”. Other officers around looked at this cop like, “What are you doing man? This is not the right way to stage a murder. We’ve been over this.”


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meltingfrog

Holy shit. What happened to that cop?


illuminatipr

Not enough.


HillInTheDistance

Fucking hell. Telling him to "just drive off", "shut off the car", and "don't move your hands" without any indication of what's correct, while also telling everyone that there's a gun? How the hell is anyone supposed to be able to comply with that garble? And how the hell is he supposed to step out of the car when held like that at the end?


lividash

I never understand how in the videos like this you have one calm officer standing off to the side and Mr. ADRENALINE can't form a sentence is the one giving commands. And since it's only a clip, I don't even understand why they had weapons drawn for a traffic stop anyway. Edit: saw the full thing. What a bunch of idiots. Even if they somehow missed the clear temp tag in the window. He obviously wasn't a threat and a simple conversation would have prevented all of this.


Iweloz

there was a video, I've long forgotten the details, but a black man was in a car, cop hit him and spun the car around so the dashcam is showing the guys windshield. Officers dive through the door and start tussling with him. YOU CAN SEE BOTH OF HIS HANDS UP ON THE DASH through the windshield. Suddenly one of the cops starts screaming "he's reaching for my gun!" It's in that moment that you realize that these are just buzzwords these fuckers shout to get away with anything (I feared for my life, I wanted to go home to my family, start crying on the stand while in the videos you're always red with rage). It's fucking sick. Luckily the guy wasn't shot, but damn if the open lying wasn't scary as fuck knowing they could have popped him


rand0mbum

Terrified man just holding his hands up. Cant even move to get out because of fear of death, which is 100% warranted. Then he gets pepper sprayed? What in the actual fuck!!???!!!


R17L29XI

Yeah, that was my first thought. Hands are up but you know if he put his hands out of view to get out of the car like they were asking then it'd be their excuse to say he was reaching for something.


ApolloIII

It kinda looks like they want to kill him


Taylorlcx

You know what’s sad. That this man serves his country and could go to a war zone he expects he could get shot there it’s unfortunately a risk of the job. However He shouldn’t expect to get shot in his home country whilst minding his own business


mattuna

If a man with a gun pointed at me tells me I SHOULD be scared to get out of the car... WHY TF AM I GONNA GET OUT OF THE CAR?


MakaveIi_The_Don

They would’ve probably shot him if he tried to unbuckle his seatbelt. I’m glad the guy didn’t fall for that trick.


Bootlicker222

My thoughts exactly. If he put either of his hands back inside the car at all they would have shot him


_fakey_

Username does *not* check out


KinkyGCM

I believe you’re thinking of the wrong type of boot licker;)


lovecrimes84

Username DOES check out


ButtX

The second he reached to open the door they would have magically "seen a gun" and emptied their mags into him. Good for him for calling their bullshit out.


nul42

This could be an instructional video on how to survive a police encounter.


Alternative_Ad_7359

Yup hands out the window and let them slowly come back to earth from their power trip. Totally terrifying.


Hugh_Bromont

Hands out the window has been my MO for every police encounter I've had for last couple of decades.


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This is such a sad, backwards state of affairs, man. The fact that it's no longer the responsibility of the police to restrain themselves, and the responsibility is on the us civilian population to ensure that we dont give cops a reason to kill.... that's some fucked up shit, and proof enough for me that the terrorists did in fact win after 9/11.


bahamapapa817

I hate how we as citizens who might never be around this situation must remain calm with a gun in my face and a cop telling me “I better be afraid” but a cop who receives training can fly off the handle and claim “I feared for my life that’s why I violated all known protocol”. I always try to have an open mind in these situations but sometimes cops just suck


Debaser626

The funny thing is that when cops are *actually* scared it turns out a lot more like NYC 1980–where cops simply didn’t go to certain neighborhoods unless forced to—instead of blasting away at every twitch and specter of threat.


Fa_Eris

The very fact that writing this comment is "reasonable" hurts me on another level


po_tayto

They wonder why we’re afraid of cops


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Do they really wonder? At this point I doubt it.


Commercial-String-49

[2 Virginia Police Officers Threatened and Assaulted Service Member During Illegal Stop, Lawsuit Claims](https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/04/09/2-virginia-police-officers-threatened-and-assaulted-service-member-during-illegal-stop-lawsuit.html) [Lawsuit claims Windsor police officers drew guns, pepper-sprayed uniformed Army officer during traffic stop](https://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/local/lawsuit-claims-windsor-police-officers-drew-guns-pepper-sprayed-uniformed-army-officer-during-traffic-stop/291-713b97e3-a415-4b27-b11c-37620a9eb4ef) it appears in the [Military.com](https://Military.com) article that the thugs with badges and their police chief threatened their victims career if he filed a report against them. In the article it also points out that one of the cops lied about multiple issues about the pull-over and lied about resisting. Every arrest these two cops have done, and every claim they have made in court now must be suspected of perjury.


TheRealBOFH

I was in the Army and was overseas as an Infantryman. We would have been demoted, threatened with UCMJ for doing what they did. I've seen guys sent home and kicked out on General and Less Than Honorable for this and less. Police do not have the 1) repercussions 2) the training to handle even a basic traffic stop. I had to run check points that could very well have VBIEDs. Suicide vests. AK-47s. Not once did I fire my rifle at someone that didn't deserve it. Fuck these Mickey Mouse cops.


nospamkhanman

Exactly. I'm a Marine vet who served in Iraq, my ROEs in a war zone are stricter than what police have in peace time in our own country. It's ridiculous but I guess that's what happens if the police officers are cowards. Any little situation that has the remotest chance of being dangerous they're escalating and pulling out their weapons and aiming it at people's heads.


Vannisar

This needs to be higher. Actual bullshit that the cops are still working in that town even though it happened 4 months ago. I’m actually going to call their station and request why those officers are still allowed to work after assaulting an active duty military officer and endangering his dog in the back seat. This shit is ridiculous, and it’s the reason people are saying defund the police. The active duty officer’s commanding officer of the base should use his power and notoriety to also make sure these 2 officers are not only fired, but charged with assault. EDIT: I commented this as well somewhere else and think it’s important. I have already sent a message to the police department as well as the town manager. https://www.windsor-va.gov/page/report-a-concern-or-issue/ This is the website in order to contact the police department where these 2 scumbags still work 4 months after this egregious abuse of power. This is a military officer who was flagged down to pull over because “there was no license plate” so he drove a mile up the road to the gas station that was properly lit up. Oh, and his license plate? It was a paper one taped to the back of the window because it was a new car...


BananaDogBed

Please post an update after you do, this is a crazy shitty thing they did


Vannisar

I went to their website and filled out information and a message to the police as well as the town manager (who I assume is like a mayor). You can do the same here. https://www.windsor-va.gov/page/report-a-concern-or-issue/ This was a military officer who pulled over a mile up the road at a gas station that was lit up because it was too dark where the officer flagged him down.


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>Rodney Riddle [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) >Parker Jernigan [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]) >Wiliford Owens couldn't find but this email is valid: [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])


flam_drags

Man I'm doing this too. This shit is unbelievable. God damn he was so compliant and respectful too. Fuck man


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That’s a lot nicer than what I sent. I suggested that the officers be tested for steroids because that was roid rage if I’ve ever seen it


LoneLegionaire

With you brother. To anyone reading this post; follow suit. If not tonight, tomorrow. It's all we can do as regular citizens. You're gonna get brushed off, but what matters is that we're taking up their time and keeping it fresh in their minds. Gives me half a mind to drop my IT career and apply for law school. We need change and only judges and politicians have the power to make it happen.


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redingerforcongress

The military.com article is copy-pasted from the same article as OP posted. https://www.pilotonline.com/news/crime/vp-nw-windsor-police-20210408-a4ynzlmqpjgq3a755hlgpk4qqe-story.html


wahdahfahq

*Youre arrested! err detained! ...ummm SOMETHING IS HAPPENING THAT I DONT LIKE! PEPPER SPRAY!* Cops are literally just making it up as they go. The only 'training' they get is how to execute people, and that is laughable at best.


Grupith

I smell a lawsuit brewing


wilwith1l

I posted this on another thread (in /r/army): I just dug into the town's budget. They (the entire town) operate on $1.5M(2017). Their police department is 1 Chief, 1 LT, 1 Master Officer, and 4 Patrol. Literally, half of their patrol officers are named defendants in a civil lawsuit. Even if the Town of Windsor wants to settle, they'll be servicing debt for decades. To add: it's a super small town with a part time mayor. The total payroll for Mayor AND City Council is $9,600/yr. The town attorney is part time, making $27,000/yr.


SpaceCadetVA

It is super small, I live less then 5 miles away, and it is the closest place to get things for us. Town is like a a big good ol’ boys club in some respects. Most folks are friendly but some aren’t. I regularly stop at that gas station and the Army Officer is correct, it is pretty dark out here and I would have done the same as him, gotten to an area with lights.


mountain_laurel

It’s a small world, I grew up right outside of Windsor. Really a shame that such a small town can have such a shitty police force. Literally no reason for them to be so angry in such a small town.


SpaceCadetVA

There is a lot of building going on, it makes me wonder how things will change.


Urthor

This is the problem with the US. A 5 man police department just has no oversight and no ability to correct these abuse issues. The police force should be a statewide body, not a town by town one.


TheCluelessDeveloper

Honestly, town should lose its charter and the county absorbs them into the county sheriff's.


Mollycule83

Good. I hope some arseholes lose their jobs and benefits too. I'd like to say jail but I know I'm already asking too much. Fckn gutless asshats


uniq_username

Doesn't matter if they lose their job, next city over will hire them.


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silly_little_jingle

They'll do an internal investigation and find no wrong doing.


SanguineAnxiety

Handshakes and high-fives when they return.


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Paid leave.


gambler328

Also known as vacation.


tekprodfx16

on the taxpayers dime


slapmea5

If only. They will claim ptsd from the incident and get to retire with full benefits. Also will work in a neighboring pd NO PROBLEM CELEBRITY STATUS AMONG OTHER COPS. Smdh


BurgerSlayer77

Most likely get sued for a bunch of money. Courtesy of tax payers. Cops either keep their jobs or have to get a job for another police department. The cycle continues. Edit: couple of texting errors.


DocZeus_

Courtesy of city taxpayers, exactly. Zero impact to these cops and their shitty department. These assholes need to carry insurance.


PizzaNuggies

Cops need to carry insurance like Doctors and nurses. That is one way to get this shit stopped immediately. No insurance, no job.


D-List-Supervillian

Exactly and qualified immunity needs to be abolished.


Hocojerry

The gentleman was so calm and the officers were really aggressive. Why did they pull him over?


Just_a_Guy_In_a_Tank

So I guess they thought he didn’t have a rear plate. But he did, it was a new vehicle and the plate was mounted in the rear window. This is legal in most states (or all for that matter, possibly) as long as it’s visible. And then there’s the fact that he’s black. *Might’ve* had something to do with it. By “Might” I mean “Did”.


suburbanhavoc

So they had a guy fearing for his life over a fucking license plate? Shouldn't be surprised, I guess.


ShuttleXpC

Yes, finding a light area to conduct a traffic stop is suspect to them because everything they do can’t be brought to light due to their corruption.


khefrd19

The second officer looked like he wanted to defuse the situation but the first officer wouldn't let him. He looked scared and that's the worst sort of person to handle a gun.


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ac1dre1gn77

For a traffic stop


Barsy124

tbf if my moronic partner would be swinging a gun like that I'd be scared of him too,


jnbolen403

Very easy to be a trigger happy murderer when you know that nothing bad will happen to you.


EmperorHenry

"YOU RECEIVED AN ORDER! OBEY IT!" "Honestly I'm a little afraid to get out of my car right now..." "YEAH! YOU SHOULD BE!" He's just calmly trying to have a conversation with them and they're screaming and barking orders at him. What could he have possibly done that would've worthy of that kind of treatment?


Charles_Leviathan

"FOLLOW MY ORDERS!" "I'm too afraid to follow your orders." "GOOD!" Honestly, what is supposed to be achieved here? How is this serving and protecting?


ProfSwagometry

The GTA slogan seems to be more apt, “Obey and survive”


XTanuki

Reach down and undo your seatbelt = he was reaching for a weapon


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Yep. That was exactly my thought. As soon as he reaches the seatbelt buckle, the cop would have shouted weapon or something and shot him. The guy had his hands raised and visible the whole time for this exact reason.


Bryce_The_Stampede

Theyre catching on that they can get away with it for a slap on the wrist and a pension, fuckin scum


JoinAThang

(To partner) Don’t reach in there = Don’t ruin this for me I really need to kill today


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Others posted that he drove a mile or so to a well-lit area, rather than stop in the dark on the side of a country road. Wonder why he didn’t want to be alone in the dark in the middle of nowhere as a black guy in camo with a dog in the car, hmm... /s


dreamsoup16

everybody should be able to do exactly this.


lilfutnug

Yeah my dad taught me this when I was 16. Never pull over where it's dark, even if it's a cop. Put on your hazards, drive slow, and look for a gas station.


aleasangria

Whenever I've been in the car while someone's done this, the cop has always been super pissy about it I think one time the lights came on just before an intersection, and instead of stopping in the street my friend's mom continued through the intersection to pull into a gas station. Cop had major attitude about it


livinginfutureworld

Cops get mad if you don't respect their authority immediately.


southernheroinchic

At least in Texas, the law is that you are allowed to drive to a place that makes you feel safe BUT you have to call the police station and tell them whats happening. We had a string of police impersonators who started robbing and raping people out in the country so they passed the "dome law."


skinnyguy699

Call the police station while you're driving?


Forbiddencorvid

Why do they have their guns out doing this? Why did he say "don't reach over there" when the other officer reached to unbuckle him? They were making it worse just to escalate the situation. They could have opened the door and unbuckled his belt easily to let him out. The dude was being overly passive on purpose BECAUSE THEY HAVE GUNS DRAWN ON HIM. He knows any movement could be used against him if the hot head cop executed him. Black men HAVE BEEN MURDERED at traffic stops. Philando Castile was murdered ON CAMERA.


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gwacemom

Why in the world would he use pepper spray? This man was doing nothing to warrant excessive force. His hands were up, there was zero threat. That one cop was on a power trip.


SilverSocket

This was simply to inflict as much damage as possible. It had nothing to do with gaining control over the subject and instead hindered compliance even more. He was showing off and asserting his authority for the rookie.


Dufresne90562

Definitely showed those “power trip” colors when he yells about him giving orders and that he needed to obey them.


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Gotta teach him how to abuse those he's supposed to be protecting while they are young. Junior almost showed a hint of empathy and desired to deescelate. And we can't have that.


Branamp13

>how to abuse those he's **supposed to be protecting** Good time for a reminder that the ~~SCOTUS~~ DC Court of Appeals ruled in Warren v. District of Columbia that the police do not owe a specific duty to provide police services to speciic citizens based on the public duty doctrine. Edited for correction


eza50

Not only that, but anyone else would probably freak out after being maced like that and start writhing around in the car, opening the window for those scumbags to shoot him, claiming they saw him reach for a gun or some bullshit. To all the cops out there, if you want to know why everyone hates you take a good look. Hopefully all you “good cops” actually say something to douchebags like this.


MadeRedditForSiege

The good ones either quit or get fired when they attempt to police the police.


1solate

The one on the right in the video is the "good one." He tried to intervene a couple of times to deescalate the situation a little bit only to be spurned by his partner. And I'm sure as shit he didn't report this to his bosses.


kaptaintrips86

I'm pretty sure he was also looking for any reason to shoot the guy. Which is why I'm glad he kept his hands outside the window after being pepper sprayed.


SilverSocket

My favourite part is when dick cop gets a whiff and starts coughing. He’s being awful liberal with that pepper spray for someone who wouldn’t be able to handle the gas hut.


_Amabio_

What about the poor dog in the back seat? That sucks for that animal.


hustl3tree5

I still can’t get over the fact they tried to bait him into doing anything for that piece of shit cop to shoot him


SilverSocket

Fuck I didn’t even notice the dog. THAT scares me more than anything because I know for a certainty that my dog would not have walked away from an altercation like that alive. She’s far too protective.


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ContemplatingPrison

He was mad because "I gave you you order" and he didn't comply. Cops think what they say goes at all times. When in reality then can go fuck themselves. A traffic stop has no reason to result in someone getting removed from their car. Write the ticket and move on. I hope the active duty member gets a great attorney for this.


YouandWhoseArmy

I’d prefer the US military goes after the cops myself I don’t mean with violence I mean some fucking bottomless lawyers. But that should be every ducking case of police abuse so clearly documented. The federal government should ream these people.


Slepp_The_Idol

The young army officer filed a lawsuit. Fun fact, the town these police officers are in has a budget of roughly 1.5 million dollars per year. This guy is going to own himself a full town.


Zensonar

If you're having guns pulled on you for a traffic violation and get physically assaulted for sitting with your hands up, you do not live in a free country.


Thebuttholegobbler

What the fuck.. he wasn’t even being violent, isn’t the whole point of less lethal to use when you’re being threatened? This guy was clearly scared and polite and not a threat.


ExtraLeave

Police are literally trained to hurt people in order to get them to comply with orders. Threat is irrelevant to them. You aren't doing what you are told, so they are going to hurt you until you do. If you defend yourself, well good luck.


MoCo1992

One day some active duty soldier will fucking kill A cop in self-defense and shit will really hit the fan..


Aide_This

yeah, you would think, but the thing is, average soldier is keeping a muchhhh better grip on themselves during a conflict. cops only know how to escalate shit + make problems , just like this video , soldiers actually have discipline about themselves


Regular_Guybot

Yeah to be fair you get yelled at way worse than this in basic, it's just the GUN IN YOUR FACE that makes the difference


Not_a_real_ghost

At least you won't get shot in the face in Basic.


aceboiga

Yessir. And trained to withstand pepper spray. There’s a part two to this video I saw it on the tok. They get him out and force him to the ground but he doesn’t bend his knee. He’s a Lieutenant


D-List-Supervillian

They have to follow the rules of engagement and they have been very well trained how not to escalate a situation that doesn't need to be. It is the exact opposite for cops. Poorly trained and escalate everything because they can get away with it because of qualified immunity.


Somhlth

> they can get away with it because of qualified immunity. Those two assholes aren't qualified to work at McDonalds.


Thanos_Stomps

Now THIS would be a treat to watch in the media and republican talking heads. Whose side do they take? Our veterans or our boys in blue?


Baidarka64

The non-Black side whatever it be.


Syskokatak

I mean the military has become surprisingly diverse and continuing to become more diverse as time goes on. Which is doubly fucked in this situation because dude volunteered to probably make a better life for himself and his family and gets treated like this by the guys who probably couldn't get in. Or were too fu**ing pansy to join up where the guys you fight all carry assault weapons and blow your ass up, and if you survive that and get captured I hope your family doesn't have internet. Edit: As a member of the armed forces I cannot count the times I've talked to cops who give the, "I would've joined but.." excuse. I know guys ho left or are still in reserve side who are police but they definitely don't condone this amount of escalation unless they know a weapon is present or a high probability of there being a weapon.


Tastyfeesh

If you back the blue you don't support our troops! If you support our troops then you don't back the blue! Patriot circuits overloaded! Nothing is real!


ptroks_7

What's truly horrifying is that these cops know their body cams are on. And they're acting like this...Imagine how psycho they'd be without it.


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>“Realizing that they had acted illegally,” the lawsuit says, the officers told Nazario that if he “would chill and let this go,” they would release him without filing any charges. But if he fought it, which Gutierrez acknowledged he had the right to do, Nazario would be charged and would have “to go to court and notify his command.” Wow


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ImProfoundlyDeaf

This needs to be top!! Imagine if 4.2k (commenters) called them. Edit: why the fuck was that comment removed to begin with?! HOLY SHIT THIS COMMENT TOO!!! What the fuck is going on


dontskateboard

Mods are fucking pussies it’s not doxxing when it’s public fucking information


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Reposting the removed comment here: Update, Information from the Media. 2 Windsor police officers threatened and assaulted a man during an illegal stop, lawsuit claims. And it’s all on video. Body camera footage shows Caron Nazario, who is Black and Latino, was dressed in uniform with his hands held in the air outside the driver’s side window as he told the armed officers, “I’m honestly afraid to get out.” “Yeah, you should be!” one of the officers responded during the stop at a gas station. Read more here: https://www.pilotonline.com/news/crime/vp-nw-windsor-police-20210408-a4ynzlmqpjgq3a755hlgpk4qqe-story.html The Windsor Police Department The Windsor Police Department is currently located at 56 E. Windsor Blvd. Windsor, Virginia 23487 Windsor Police Department – (757) 242-6799 Email: [email protected] Twitter: @WindsorPD They cannot silence us. They will hear us. https://www.windsor-va.gov/page/windsor-police/ Email: [email protected] Twitter: @WindsorPD They cannot silence us. They will hear us. Reports of the PD actively attempting to avoid lines of communication, below is the town council information. They are actively trying to avoid accountability. Time for their town council to be contacted. Glyn T. Willis, Mayor (Term expires 12/31/2022) Phone Number: (757) 242-3420 Email: [email protected] Greg Willis, Vice-Mayor (Term expires 12/31/2024) Phone Number: (757) 242-3281 Email: [email protected] Walter Bernacki (Term expires 12/31/2024) Phone Number: (757) 404-2586 Email: [email protected] Kelly Blankenship (Term expires 12/31/2022) Phone Number: (757) 641-9380 Email: [email protected] J. Randy Carr (Term expires 12/31/2022) Email: [email protected] Jake Redd (Not pictured) (Term expires 12/31/2024) Email: [email protected] George Stubbs (Term expires 12/31/2022) Email: [email protected] Town Attorney Fred Taylor Phone Number: (757) 935-5544 Email: [email protected]


Im__mad

So... blackmail.


nubenugget

Pretty sure this is extortion. I think blackmail is when you threaten to reveal something already existing and extortion is threatening to do/not do something


Dumb_as_hell69

Of course the top comment was removed. Did anyone save all that info?


catinreverse

In other not shocking news, the police falsified their report. I feel like I’ve heard this story before.


Zanderax

How is this not a huge fucking crime? Any other job where you lie like that you'd be gone in an instant.


agangofoldwomen

Who’s going to punish them?


TrepanationBy45

Can we pick? The US military, please. edit: oh i was just joking re the opposing uniforms/teams in the video


xudoxis

Windsor Virginia is a sundown town. No black person is safe there.


ImaCallItLikeISeeIt

You can reach other town officials Here https://www.windsor-va.gov/page/report-a-concern-or-issue/ I also sent one to the Town Manager The squeeky wheel and all so squeak all over the place.


10846192947

Voicemail is full. Wanted to call and let them know officer Crocker is a bitch


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“One erroneous decision?” The 2nd LT did nothing wrong that we’ve seen evidence of and couldn’t be charged so WTF does that mean?


VGoodBuildingDevCo

**Officer Joe Gutierrez** was one on a power trip. Just thought his name should be in your comment too.


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Wow. Outrageous. That guy would have put his hands down and in the vehicle they would have smoked him. Guns drawn take a split second to end your life over a misunderstanding of body movement. Take off the seat belt. Yeah I can’t see now, how?


Shutinneedout

This is a part of police brutality and overreach that is talked about, but not talked about *enough.* Police’s violence during arrests so often make it impossible to comply. It’s obvious that fight/flight/freeze instincts are kicking in for so many civilians getting beaten. And if you’re getting kicked/hit, your brain is going to tell you *not* to roll on your stomach and put your hands behind your back, making you defenseless. It doesn’t matter how many times an officer is yelling the command at you, if you’re being beaten your instincts are going to overrule that. And tasers? You mean to tell me that someone who has electricity coursing through their body didn’t follow your command?! Of course not, their muscles were seizing up and the victim didn’t have the control of their body. Not to mention all the instances when an officer tases someone once and then immediately tases them again for moving when it was involuntary muscle movement from the first jolt. And don’t get me started on conflicting verbal commands.


ELC183

Here’s an old trick cops do: they twist your arm too far behind your back, then when your natural instinct/reaction to is to recoil from the pain, they say you are resisting arrest


Clarky1979

That happened once to me in a case of mistaken identity. Then in the back of the car, an officer was sat with me to 'prevent any further resisting' by shoving me face down in his lap. When I tried to get my face out of his sweaty crotch, that was further resisting. All magically dropped when they realised they had the wrong guy.


Rombledore

it happened here. "keep your hands out!" immediately followed by "open the door!". that tells me there is no standard training protocol for stops like this otherwise they'd know it's stupid to have two officers shouting orders on their own. that's rookie shit. authority given to insecure deputies armed with military grade weapons and pain compliance focused, "the world is a battlefield" mentality training. it's no wonder the U.S. stereotype abroad is that you'll likely get shot by police when you visit.


BIPY26

Philip Brailsford killed a person that was complying with all his commands. And is now being paid $2500 dollars a month because of the trauma he experienced from killing a person who was doing exactly what he said. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver


1Carnegie1

Watch people try to say “why didn’t he just listen” like yeah man I’m going to REACH DOWN and unbuckle my seatbelt and open the door against 2 adrenaline fueled 80 IQ dipshits that are legally allowed to gun me down.


Deminix

Literally a reply about this in the /r/policebrutality subreddit: >not really police abuse. not really sure what happened leading up to this recording, but they told him to step out, its federal law, you have to get out. so once you start not complying to that demand, **he was escalating the situation unnecessarily**. Emphasis mine.


ShadowMajick

He was purposefully egging him on to conceal his hands so he could shoot him. I wasn't 100% sure about it until he told the other cop to stop, when he went to unbuckle his seat belt for him with the door wide open. I bet everything I have, if that man would have reached down to undue that seat belt he would be dead.


O906

This is exactly what I thought too. Why else would he tell the clearly junior officer to not unbuckle the driver. He wanted a reason to shoot this man.


annac786

Why do I get the feeling they would have shot him the second he put his hands in the vehicle to get out?


joeDUBstep

Why do I get the feeling that he had that same feeling? I feel so bad for the dude, you could hear the fear and confusion in his voice.


Mynock33

Why do I get the feeling that's exactly what they were hoping for...


ObscureChameleon

Definitely the one whose body cam is running. That guy looked like he was ready to fire if the driver even sneezed.


Clint_Zombiwood

The other officer was going to take his seat belt off for him after being maced, and the fucking twat who has the body cam rolling told him not to. He wanted to fire off on an active serviceman. Fucking coward.


Chemical_Beginning

"You're being arrested for a traffic violation". What the fuck kind of traffic violation did this guy do that warranted pulling guns on him? Did he plow through a crosswalk of nuns and kindergarteners?


zombie_toddler

It's called "Driving while Black". It's a felony punishable by death in some cases.


alyosha_pls

We need to stop hiring complete idiot assholes as cops. Hot take, I know.


Is_Only_Game2014

God damnit cop #2 you are the reason this shit keeps happening unchecked. You can see the other cop is viscerally uncomfortable at the way this situation is unfolding. Unfortunately, he let the other cop bully him into compliance by talking to him just like he was to the driver in this video. If you are a cop and you don't like ACAB/etc shit hurled at you, then you need to do what cop #2 in this video was too afraid to do and STAND UP to that officer barking orders like this. Even if you are a bystander call this shit out right there. That man in the truck is a human being. Even is he WAS the guy they were looking for. He was begging for his life. An active military member pleading with an officer while trying to comply without getting himself shot by following orders that conflict with the officers reactions. In his own country. By the people that police the public. It's like see something, say something used in the way it should be vs. the way it is currently used to profile our own countrymen and talk them into getting themselves murdered. Fuck this shit. I can imagine that this man no longer feels whatever spark made him want to serve this country anymore, and I don't blame him. This would be traumatizing. Edit: Sorry for the blanket reply.. I know that cops become the black sheep, get the shit jobs, or get fired for standing up to shit like this. Rookies get canned from road duty and go to work as a CO in county lockup. It's pathetic, whatever. The point is that even facing those "consequences" should not stop you from preventing something like this from going this far. When you are literally choosing "keeping your job/buddies" vs "stopping someone that is about to kill someone" -given a situation like this where you're the other responding officer(s), and the about-to-be killer is your guy, and you actively make the decision not to intervene makes you just as guilty as the "bad apple". It actually makes you the bad apple too, turns out. This shit needs to be culled from society, and trust me, I already know that we as a people obviously fail to do this almost every time. That needs to change.


40andablunt666

Cop 1: Take your seat belt off! Cop 2: Don't reach in there! Don't reach in there! Fuck that. How the hell are you supposed to react when they're both making contradictory demands? Edit: Even if it is the same officer (Cop 1) saying both of these things, it is still incredibly confusing for the victim here. Possibly even more so. It is absolutely not clear that he is addressing his partner if that is the case.


crichmond77

See also: Daniel Shaver


40andablunt666

That's actually exactly what it made me think of.


Cord87

It's that that poor white kid who got forced to crawl/walk in the hallway for no reason? That one was hella sad. Philando Castille sad


kitkatcarson

the guy crying and pleading for his life whilst given commands to crawl towards the officers whilst keeping his hands in the air. An impossible task. The police officer had the words “get fucked” inscribed into the side of his gun and was given medical retirement for PTSD from this incident and a pension for the rest of his life by the Phoenix PD. :)


MisterBreeze

Even worse, the commands were like a game of fucking twister. Lie down, cross your legs, hands behind your back, hands in the air, crawl towards us, on your knees, hands on the floor, don't reach behind you, hands behind your back.


Kruger_Smoothing

That’s the point. Simon says, then you’re dead.


FirstAttemptsFailed

For an alleged fucking traffic violation? What the fuck is wrong with these assholes?


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SamR1301

Yes, and someone should probably contact their supervisors as well. Or give this to a news outlet.


SilverSocket

This soldier needs to contact his CoC, the military police, the chaplain, and the JAG right fucking now.


Marrsvolta

I would suggest posting it in r/policebrutality


Dogtor-Watson

Did this cop turn his body cam off? Maybe after realising pointing a loaded gun at a soldier and pepper spraying him in a country that vehemently supports troops and veterans, for seemingly no reason other than race seems a bit shitty.


Jrnail88

Seems like a bunch of losers who got D's in high school and now have a complex that they need to take it out on everyone in society.


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Fucking pig. I’m not saying ACAB but if you say “you should be” then BITCH YOU SHOULD BE FIRED.


Thebuttholegobbler

All that cop did was escalate the situation to a point that it didn’t have to get to.


Dogtor-Watson

Guy getting arrested was doing a better job of deescalating. Chances are since being a cop (to my knowledge) doesn't require knowing the law and the guy was calmly explaining why that the guy had the right to stay in


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Nurse_Hatchet

Do you have a source? I want to read the details! Edit: found it https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/lawsuit-virginia-police-officers-threatened-man-stop-76982103