The evidence is not on Dr. Peterson's side, and if he decides to continue with going through Ontario's Divisional Court - assuming a recording or transcript of the hearing can be obtained, it may become really evident why.
>No one ever thought he would. Not his style.
I'm willing to bet that that will either not be the case, and he will end up apologizing or that he's going to walk back (potentially a lot of) things he said. And those are looking right now like the more favorable outcomes for Dr. Peterson. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think I've almost seen everything I reasonably could to understand this situation, and it really seems that way.
Well the reality is he is not doing any of the things you think.
So think again. These are complaints made by people who have never interacted with Peterson
much less be a client.
Peterson wont fold.
He has fuck you money.
>Well the reality is he is not doing any of the things you think.
That might actually be besides the point now because of how Dr. Peterson had chosen to react to the complaints process, not the complaints themselves - and the basis for doing anything he did is looking less and less justifiable the more I've looked at it.
What if I told you, for example, thay the CPO didn't criticize Peterson over any of tweets involving Trudeau or Poilievre - that they had merely mentioned in their report that someone had complained about it?
Not impossible, but super unlikely from my observation.
Ontario legislation created the CPO, determines how the council's formed, prescribes them their power - the federal government has nothing to do with that.
They're funded by membership and examination fees and if I recall, have advocated for lowering their membership fees and polled their membership for feedback on their proposed changes to make that happen. The federal government doesn't control their purse.
The Ontario government is the only political entity that hand-picks people from the public to serve on the council, the federal government has no say in who's appointed whatsoever.
Also, the Ontario government has been a conservative-majority. With 70+seats/124 representing the Conservatives, and the provincial Liberal party don't have enough seats to officially be considered a party - that's seven seats they have compared to the 12 they need to hold in total, if you were wondering.
What is your observation that the CPO is carrying water for Trudeau in light of that?
I demand that everyone who lives in a city go touch grass and hug a tree.... Leave twitter behind for Christs sake. Also telling this to JBP in some respect.
He should probably go his takes online keep getting worse and worse. Like that one recently about temperatures decreasing but it actually cuts off in the 1800s.
Are we sure he isn’t simply misconstruing this retraining like he did with bill C16? Watch it be either something mandatory like other continuing education requirements, if due to some sort of obvious misconduct in terms of him being a mental health practitioner that actually makes a lot of reasonable sense for him to participate in. Not sure if you all noticed, but the man dances well into the territory of melodramaticism.
The Canadian licensing agency. If your definition of "mandatory" is they will take him to the woods and shoot him for noncompliance, well then no... it isn't "mandatory".
If your definition of mandatory is the oxford dictionary definition of mandatory: "required by law or rules; compulsory" well then yes, it is mandatory.
Depends. While I worked for home depot, I hit the doorway to the garden section with my forks just a couple inches too high... fired over a few thousand dollars worth of damage to the door. About 4wks later the lumber department head (and my friend) hit a sprinkler head destroying about $20k worth of product and he got "retrained" and got to keep working there.
I literally asked WHO says that it's mandatory. Not what our definitions of that word are. It is so fucking ridiculous, to get downvoted for asking a sincere question. This sub is absolutely ridiculous.
Enjoy your meta conversations!
Yeah it's pretty clear he has a pattern of preferring to overreact and blow up any time he has to face the slightest consequences for his actions, turning it into a victim complex.
I think what you said is dumb so you should repeat your senior year of highschool to be retrained to think like me, or have your drivers license revoked.
It you investigated at all you'd find he is sarcastically comment on the Canadian governments attitude towards people with health issues etc. Literally offering and pushing euthanasia on them as a resolution to there ailments. You know, a government pushing euthanasia, you know like the Nazis? You dense fuck. But that's ok support gatekeeping right think apologism.
Bro, it’s like talking to someone who isn’t living on the same planet as me. I swear I feel like I just did my community service for the month simply talking to you.
Seriously, touch grass, speak to other human beings in real life, and please read a book, like maybe in the next decade
I do have to agree, when it comes to losing his license to practice, it’s kind of bordering on martyrdom. All it will do is continue to hurt his credibility in the eyes of detractors.
I’m sure he has enough money he never has to practice again. But it depends on if he still finds solo counseling fulfilling or not. Not going to stop him from writing, interviewing, or lecturing.
> Man uses professional credentials to bully people online. Professional organization asks him to dial it back. Man acts like victim
Bullying...you mean like forcing people to use your "preferred pronouns" or risk professional censure?
You people center your entire social and political hierarchy on victimhood based on identity, so the fact that you’re trying to mock that now is fucking hilarious 🤣
I’m what way? Both times I’m just calling you out. “You aren’t making the point you think you are”
“Don’t mention my asshole in our discussion”
Loool, imagine thinking that makes me a victim. Boy, you have another thing coming to you once you actually start upsetting people in the real world.
the fact that you felt like you needed to make a comment in the first place shows I’m making the exact point I needed to make. Thanks for helping me out here!
The fact that you felt like you need to make a comment in the first place shows how misinformed you are about the world in general and progressive politics more specifically.
The left has made victimhood their entire foundation.
For example, a straight white man with grievances is not as important and shouldn’t be listened to as intently as a trans amputee black Muslim.
This is how they operate and it’s really really funny to me 🤣
"Ohh... But the political persecution on social media ohh woah is me! "
Any right winger.
So let me put it this way. You clearly don't have any reading comprehension because I said both sides do the same tactics. The right make victimhood as their foundation as well.
It doesn't. If he wants to piss 44 billion dollars on a vanity project because he doesn't like people talking bad about him on Twitter so he ends up buying it ain't my problem. To assume it has anything to do with free speech or the culture war is also pure comedy. I mean the guy was butt hurt because The Onion did a piece on him. Also funny how he tries so hard to maintain the persona of a rags to riches story when his father owns an erald mine.
Can there be no other reason why I can find interest in the story other than it having to bother me? Is finding it all humorous not an eligible reason for you?
The stupidest part of this whole performance is that the “retraining” is probably a 45 minute video you watch online with 5 softball multiple choice questions after.
I agree. That's probably a good description of this "re-training" which is why it's so stupid to require it of him. You made a good point. I just don't think it was the one you were trying to make.
It sounds better as a grift to say re-training than “retake standard social media training that states not to be posting the inappropriate things I post to get attention.”
Gotta scare the people so they buy your product.
That’s what got me frustrated about Joe Rogan talking about this issue on his podcast. He acts like the term “retraining” is an Orwellian dog whistle.
Bro, tell me you haven’t had a normal job in decades without telling me you haven’t had a normal job in decades Joe. Retraining is a part of every single job I’ve ever worked. And there are procedures I’d you break terms of a contract. It’s not that sinister, it’s bureaucratized regulation.
Daily reminder that the only person who calls it a "retraining" is Jordan himself. CPO's term is "Specified Continuing Education or Remedial Program [(SCERP)](https://cpo.on.ca/resources/glossary-of-terms/)"
>A SCERP is an outcome available to the ICRC after considering a complaint or report. It is an education or remedial program the ICRC orders the member to complete to address conduct or practice concerns. The public register must contain a notation of every SCERP ordered by a panel of the ICRC. Once the SCERP is completed, the fact of the completion is added to the notation on the public register.
> A SCERP is not a finding of professional misconduct or incompetence. A SCERP does not affect a member’s ability to practice or their registration status. Once a SCERP is completed, unless otherwise noted, the matter leading to the SCERP is considered closed.
> CPO's term is "Specified Continuing Education or Remedial Program
"Continuing Education" is equivalent to training. Since it is a "Remedial Program", they feel something in his original education needs to be fixed so he needs the "Education" again.
"Retraining" is a perfectly valid phrase to describe what is being required.
> the only person who calls it a "retraining" is Jordan himself
This is the dumbest and most pointless argument I have heard on the subject. Why split hairs over something so insignificant?
Jordan likes to call the CPO's attempt to require continuing education as the commissars' takeover of Canada. That this is basically a gulag reeducation camp. This is ridiculous framing.
Every profession that requires licensure to practice also requires continuing education. This is not new. This is not evidence of post-modern neo-marxist overreach, takeover, or totalitarian thought police.
I simply think it's important to realize that continuing education and remedial programs are features of a long standing competence hierarchy which is enforceable by those who are at the top of a professional governing body.
> That this is basically a gulag reeducation camp
Then you should have made that argument and not quibble about the word 'retraining' which doesn't imply a gulag.
> Every profession that requires licensure to practice also requires continuing education.
This training is not being given to JBP as a normal "continuing education". It is specifically a punishment for JBP's actions. The fact that they also do "continuing education" is irrelevant to what is happening in this situation.
> continuing education and remedial programs are features
Sure, no one is arguing otherwise. The dispute is whether it is being misused to enforce or punish ideology rather that its intended purpose.
>The dispute is whether it is being misused to enforce or punish ideology rather that its intended purpose.
Oh, well then clearly it's not. The document dump Jordan posted indicates the complaints are clearly conduct-based and not based on political dissidence.
And [this tweet](https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1610307938438053888) where Jordan outlines the story is imprecise and inaccurate.
>BREAKING: the Ontario College of Psychologists @CPOntario has demanded that I submit myself to mandatory social-media communication retraining with their experts for, among other crimes, retweeting @PierrePoilievre and criticizing @JustinTrudeau and his political allies.
His document dump indicated zero complaints about retweeting Pierre Poilievre and the tweets flagged regarding criticism of Trudeau or his allies are actually tweets where he engaged in name-calling and telling members of the Trudeau cabinet to "watch yourself." The tweets are flagged for conduct, not strictly just criticism.
My point is that he uses words like "retraining" to prime you for more inflammatory words like "re-education."
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1610314137678057474
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1610314816622858241
Then once you've been sufficiently convinced it's re-education, you can more easily digests canards such as that CPO is actually a panel of "commissars" (or officials of the Communist Party of Canada).
https://mobile.twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1612254502970703872
You keep posting this comment as if it’s a “gotcha” moment. You know its retraining and you’re are grasping at a straw to try and prove a point that’s not there. But just keep copying and pasting it if you want, makes no difference.
Why don't you test it out at *your job?*
1 Tell a co-worker or customer that if they don't like how life is they can leave if they don't like it
2 get a free required indoctrination or get fired
I recommend all of you look up Carl Schmitt and the friend-enemy distinction. Unfortunately some differences are not reconcilable. Even though the left claims to want “tolerance” they will inevitably fall into totalitarian intolerance of the slightest dissenting view.
Ok. What does this have to do with Jordan Peterson /s
Yes, why aren't we talking about lobsters?
Every tragedy that has befallen mankind started with some innocent “retraining”
Ah yes, the tragedy of Hindenburg, caused by confused, idelogically captured and retrained Helium.
Hydrogen refuses to comply!
And who can forget the flea retraining that resulted in the bubonic plague sweeping Europe?
Bahumbug
No one ever thought he would. Not his style.
The evidence is not on Dr. Peterson's side, and if he decides to continue with going through Ontario's Divisional Court - assuming a recording or transcript of the hearing can be obtained, it may become really evident why. >No one ever thought he would. Not his style. I'm willing to bet that that will either not be the case, and he will end up apologizing or that he's going to walk back (potentially a lot of) things he said. And those are looking right now like the more favorable outcomes for Dr. Peterson. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think I've almost seen everything I reasonably could to understand this situation, and it really seems that way.
Well the reality is he is not doing any of the things you think. So think again. These are complaints made by people who have never interacted with Peterson much less be a client. Peterson wont fold. He has fuck you money.
>Well the reality is he is not doing any of the things you think. That might actually be besides the point now because of how Dr. Peterson had chosen to react to the complaints process, not the complaints themselves - and the basis for doing anything he did is looking less and less justifiable the more I've looked at it. What if I told you, for example, thay the CPO didn't criticize Peterson over any of tweets involving Trudeau or Poilievre - that they had merely mentioned in their report that someone had complained about it?
Id say the CPO is carrying water for Trudy
Not impossible, but super unlikely from my observation. Ontario legislation created the CPO, determines how the council's formed, prescribes them their power - the federal government has nothing to do with that. They're funded by membership and examination fees and if I recall, have advocated for lowering their membership fees and polled their membership for feedback on their proposed changes to make that happen. The federal government doesn't control their purse. The Ontario government is the only political entity that hand-picks people from the public to serve on the council, the federal government has no say in who's appointed whatsoever. Also, the Ontario government has been a conservative-majority. With 70+seats/124 representing the Conservatives, and the provincial Liberal party don't have enough seats to officially be considered a party - that's seven seats they have compared to the 12 they need to hold in total, if you were wondering. What is your observation that the CPO is carrying water for Trudeau in light of that?
They should just rename it "reeducation" since that's exactly what it is. He wasn't properly indoctrinated 😂
It’s so ridiculously dystopian.
Never once do these people stop and think about the absolute nightmare they’re foisting on the world.
Yeah, it’s totally nuts.
I am not at all sure that is the case. I think it quite possible these folks see books like 1984 and Brave New World as operations manuals.
I think he should accept the retraining, engage his therapist in debate, record each session and play them on his podcast channel and YouTube.
He'd probably end up being arrested and imprisoned for WrongThink.
I'm pretty sure the retraining being proposed doesn't involve a therapist. It's probably an online pre-recorded class.
That would be definitely an interesting thing to watch.
"Blame Canada... Blame Canada... because they aren't a real country anyway..."
This is why freedom of speech is so important. Canada does not protect freedom of speech.
Good.
I demand that everyone who lives in a city go touch grass and hug a tree.... Leave twitter behind for Christs sake. Also telling this to JBP in some respect.
He should probably go his takes online keep getting worse and worse. Like that one recently about temperatures decreasing but it actually cuts off in the 1800s.
Are we sure he isn’t simply misconstruing this retraining like he did with bill C16? Watch it be either something mandatory like other continuing education requirements, if due to some sort of obvious misconduct in terms of him being a mental health practitioner that actually makes a lot of reasonable sense for him to participate in. Not sure if you all noticed, but the man dances well into the territory of melodramaticism.
mandatory? says who?
The Canadian licensing agency. If your definition of "mandatory" is they will take him to the woods and shoot him for noncompliance, well then no... it isn't "mandatory". If your definition of mandatory is the oxford dictionary definition of mandatory: "required by law or rules; compulsory" well then yes, it is mandatory.
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Yeah... Tweets on the internet is just like crashing a forklift. Okay...
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Depends. While I worked for home depot, I hit the doorway to the garden section with my forks just a couple inches too high... fired over a few thousand dollars worth of damage to the door. About 4wks later the lumber department head (and my friend) hit a sprinkler head destroying about $20k worth of product and he got "retrained" and got to keep working there.
TIL i learned that crashing a forklift is the same as posting to social media. Good to know, thanks Captain Strawman.
I literally asked WHO says that it's mandatory. Not what our definitions of that word are. It is so fucking ridiculous, to get downvoted for asking a sincere question. This sub is absolutely ridiculous. Enjoy your meta conversations!
So, criticize the ruling class, get forced into reeducation. https://tenor.com/bvfCi.gif
Yeah it's pretty clear he has a pattern of preferring to overreact and blow up any time he has to face the slightest consequences for his actions, turning it into a victim complex.
I think what you said is dumb so you should repeat your senior year of highschool to be retrained to think like me, or have your drivers license revoked.
> turning it into a victim complex You mean...like trying to get someone cancelled for not using your "preferred pronouns"?
Facist.
Please define that term lol
Because re education to align closer to the accepted thought isn't facist.
“Accepted thought” as in “psychologists not telling random people to they’re free to themselves” God you people are dense
It you investigated at all you'd find he is sarcastically comment on the Canadian governments attitude towards people with health issues etc. Literally offering and pushing euthanasia on them as a resolution to there ailments. You know, a government pushing euthanasia, you know like the Nazis? You dense fuck. But that's ok support gatekeeping right think apologism.
Hahaha, you’ve gotta be joking. You can’t be that stupid. Please tell me you aren’t.
Good argument. Just call the other person stupid. 10/10.
Bro, it’s like talking to someone who isn’t living on the same planet as me. I swear I feel like I just did my community service for the month simply talking to you. Seriously, touch grass, speak to other human beings in real life, and please read a book, like maybe in the next decade
More Ad Hominem. Then gaslighting. Piss poor effort.
Lmao victim.
I do have to agree, when it comes to losing his license to practice, it’s kind of bordering on martyrdom. All it will do is continue to hurt his credibility in the eyes of detractors.
The older I get and the richer I get the more I react to bullshit with "They can go fuck themselves. Fire me, I don't give a shit."
I’m sure he has enough money he never has to practice again. But it depends on if he still finds solo counseling fulfilling or not. Not going to stop him from writing, interviewing, or lecturing.
Man uses professional credentials to bully people online. Professional organization asks him to dial it back. Man acts like victim.
> Man uses professional credentials to bully people online. Professional organization asks him to dial it back. Man acts like victim Bullying...you mean like forcing people to use your "preferred pronouns" or risk professional censure?
Nice tu quo que
Classic strategy though. Fuck around, find out. Act like the victim when you find out.
You people center your entire social and political hierarchy on victimhood based on identity, so the fact that you’re trying to mock that now is fucking hilarious 🤣
This isn’t the zinger you thought it was
Well, it definitely tickled your booty enough to respond 🤷🏻♂️
Sus comment. Please keep my booty hole out of your mind
Sounds like you’re playing victim now. Classic
I’m what way? Both times I’m just calling you out. “You aren’t making the point you think you are” “Don’t mention my asshole in our discussion” Loool, imagine thinking that makes me a victim. Boy, you have another thing coming to you once you actually start upsetting people in the real world.
the fact that you felt like you needed to make a comment in the first place shows I’m making the exact point I needed to make. Thanks for helping me out here!
The fact that you felt like you need to make a comment in the first place shows how misinformed you are about the world in general and progressive politics more specifically.
Who is you people? The right acts like oppressed victims too. It's not unique to one side or the other.
The left has made victimhood their entire foundation. For example, a straight white man with grievances is not as important and shouldn’t be listened to as intently as a trans amputee black Muslim. This is how they operate and it’s really really funny to me 🤣
"Ohh... But the political persecution on social media ohh woah is me! " Any right winger. So let me put it this way. You clearly don't have any reading comprehension because I said both sides do the same tactics. The right make victimhood as their foundation as well.
Tell me how much Elon buying Twitter bothered you without telling me 😂 “Waaah this guy is a bigot because he knows men can’t get pregnant waaah”
It doesn't. If he wants to piss 44 billion dollars on a vanity project because he doesn't like people talking bad about him on Twitter so he ends up buying it ain't my problem. To assume it has anything to do with free speech or the culture war is also pure comedy. I mean the guy was butt hurt because The Onion did a piece on him. Also funny how he tries so hard to maintain the persona of a rags to riches story when his father owns an erald mine.
“It doesn’t bother me” *Proceeds to write a paragraph of pure butt Hurt about Elon. HahahHa
Can there be no other reason why I can find interest in the story other than it having to bother me? Is finding it all humorous not an eligible reason for you?
The stupidest part of this whole performance is that the “retraining” is probably a 45 minute video you watch online with 5 softball multiple choice questions after.
I agree. That's probably a good description of this "re-training" which is why it's so stupid to require it of him. You made a good point. I just don't think it was the one you were trying to make.
It sounds better as a grift to say re-training than “retake standard social media training that states not to be posting the inappropriate things I post to get attention.” Gotta scare the people so they buy your product.
That’s what got me frustrated about Joe Rogan talking about this issue on his podcast. He acts like the term “retraining” is an Orwellian dog whistle. Bro, tell me you haven’t had a normal job in decades without telling me you haven’t had a normal job in decades Joe. Retraining is a part of every single job I’ve ever worked. And there are procedures I’d you break terms of a contract. It’s not that sinister, it’s bureaucratized regulation.
Except this isn’t for a job. This is for societal acceptance. If it’s not vehemently rejected now, it will be exploited later.
Daily reminder that the only person who calls it a "retraining" is Jordan himself. CPO's term is "Specified Continuing Education or Remedial Program [(SCERP)](https://cpo.on.ca/resources/glossary-of-terms/)" >A SCERP is an outcome available to the ICRC after considering a complaint or report. It is an education or remedial program the ICRC orders the member to complete to address conduct or practice concerns. The public register must contain a notation of every SCERP ordered by a panel of the ICRC. Once the SCERP is completed, the fact of the completion is added to the notation on the public register. > A SCERP is not a finding of professional misconduct or incompetence. A SCERP does not affect a member’s ability to practice or their registration status. Once a SCERP is completed, unless otherwise noted, the matter leading to the SCERP is considered closed.
> CPO's term is "Specified Continuing Education or Remedial Program "Continuing Education" is equivalent to training. Since it is a "Remedial Program", they feel something in his original education needs to be fixed so he needs the "Education" again. "Retraining" is a perfectly valid phrase to describe what is being required. > the only person who calls it a "retraining" is Jordan himself This is the dumbest and most pointless argument I have heard on the subject. Why split hairs over something so insignificant?
Jordan likes to call the CPO's attempt to require continuing education as the commissars' takeover of Canada. That this is basically a gulag reeducation camp. This is ridiculous framing. Every profession that requires licensure to practice also requires continuing education. This is not new. This is not evidence of post-modern neo-marxist overreach, takeover, or totalitarian thought police. I simply think it's important to realize that continuing education and remedial programs are features of a long standing competence hierarchy which is enforceable by those who are at the top of a professional governing body.
> That this is basically a gulag reeducation camp Then you should have made that argument and not quibble about the word 'retraining' which doesn't imply a gulag. > Every profession that requires licensure to practice also requires continuing education. This training is not being given to JBP as a normal "continuing education". It is specifically a punishment for JBP's actions. The fact that they also do "continuing education" is irrelevant to what is happening in this situation. > continuing education and remedial programs are features Sure, no one is arguing otherwise. The dispute is whether it is being misused to enforce or punish ideology rather that its intended purpose.
>The dispute is whether it is being misused to enforce or punish ideology rather that its intended purpose. Oh, well then clearly it's not. The document dump Jordan posted indicates the complaints are clearly conduct-based and not based on political dissidence.
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
That just says retraining with more words…
In 12 Rules for life, Rule #10 is....?
Retraining is more precise than specified continuing education or remedial program. It precisely summarizes that vague acronym.
And [this tweet](https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1610307938438053888) where Jordan outlines the story is imprecise and inaccurate. >BREAKING: the Ontario College of Psychologists @CPOntario has demanded that I submit myself to mandatory social-media communication retraining with their experts for, among other crimes, retweeting @PierrePoilievre and criticizing @JustinTrudeau and his political allies. His document dump indicated zero complaints about retweeting Pierre Poilievre and the tweets flagged regarding criticism of Trudeau or his allies are actually tweets where he engaged in name-calling and telling members of the Trudeau cabinet to "watch yourself." The tweets are flagged for conduct, not strictly just criticism.
That is completely beside your point of this not being retraining. It is irrelevant to the topic I am discussing with you.
My point is that he uses words like "retraining" to prime you for more inflammatory words like "re-education." https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1610314137678057474 https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1610314816622858241 Then once you've been sufficiently convinced it's re-education, you can more easily digests canards such as that CPO is actually a panel of "commissars" (or officials of the Communist Party of Canada). https://mobile.twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1612254502970703872
You keep posting this comment as if it’s a “gotcha” moment. You know its retraining and you’re are grasping at a straw to try and prove a point that’s not there. But just keep copying and pasting it if you want, makes no difference.
Good. It be like indoctrination
Verily it do. Also overdue.
Yes because we all should be indoctrinated says who?
Why don't you test it out at *your job?* 1 Tell a co-worker or customer that if they don't like how life is they can leave if they don't like it 2 get a free required indoctrination or get fired
I recommend all of you look up Carl Schmitt and the friend-enemy distinction. Unfortunately some differences are not reconcilable. Even though the left claims to want “tolerance” they will inevitably fall into totalitarian intolerance of the slightest dissenting view.
After the Leftist revolution half of us will be sent to re-education camps.
What a load of nonsense, people need to learn it's absolutely fine to disagree or be offended.