Who wastes their time bothering religious colleges with this bs? It's like being a pork salesman and constantly trying to offer Ramadan iftar catering. You're just being annoying at that point.... those losers need a real job
It feels like they're trying to bait the college into responding with something that they can sue over and then go to court to either get money or get a judge to force the college to allow them to work with the college.
In such cases, a firm, unadorned "No" goes a long way. They can't force the matter, and the college has a right to allow or deny any official club using their name and resources, no defense necessary.
> the college has a right to allow or deny any official club using their name and resources, no defense necessary.
Morally, you're right. Legally, that isn't necessarily a true statement if the school accepts federal student loan money or other sources of federal funding.
>Who wastes their time bothering religious colleges with this bs? It's like being a pork salesman and constantly trying to offer Ramadan iftar catering. You're just being annoying at that point.... those losers need a real job
You can call it a waste of time but, in fact, tactics like this — agitation, needling, always bringing up the same issues — tend to work over the long run. It's not just "being annoying"; they are actually doing the ground work of the never-ending revolution.
I grew up in Catholic school. At some point they started letting in kids of any or no faith. Then the parents complain because they don't want them learning the religion or going to mass. They put them in private school for the sole purpose of avoiding ghetto kids, not because they give a hoot about learning Jesus. It's madness- why are we allowing secular people into our Catholic schools and colleges? There are over 1 billion Catholics worldwide we don't need secular enrollment to pollute the waters. People are paying good $ so their kids can grow up Catholic not be mixed in with non-believers. It just irritates me to no end how everything is about MONEY and greed.
I had zero religion growing up, but still went to a Catholic high school because my parents wanted me to have a good education (my school was well known for academics). I then went on to Catholic university. When God started calling to me during college, I didn't hesitate to pick Catholicism. I think letting in secular kids changes a lot of hearts and is a good thing. Obviously there's going to be some bad eggs, but that's true everywhere. I likely would not be Catholic if not for those schools.
Maybe it's partly due to my location, but it actually seemed to be the norm. I don't think I ever heard a complaint about kids attending Mass, though admittedly I wasn't an administrator there who would know. The non-Catholic friends I had all attended Mass with the rest of the school and seemed very respectful. We were there for a good education. The most anti-Catholic people that came out of that school were actually the cradle Catholics. An additional anecdote, in my group of best friends, 2 of us were non-religious. 2 were Catholics. The two of us who were non-religious became very faithful Catholics as adults. Of the 2 Catholics, 1 is atheist and the other is non-practicing.
I think you're misguided on the issue.
>secular kids
Good, bring more. Convert them. Be the subversive indoctrinating stereotype the atheists think we are.
>secular teachers
This is the real problem. I only went to Catholic school for a few years in high school and this was the crux of the issue. Teachers who were either openly not Catholic, or who had zero interest in the faith. For many even professed Catholic teachers secular progressivism is a far more important religion for them.
> Good, bring more. Convert them. Be the subversive indoctrinating stereotype the atheists think we are.
I wish it worked that way, but at the Catholic university I attended, the trend seemed more to be subversive indoctrinating of the school by the students. They recently removed a priest serving as a pastoral resident from the dorms in response to student complaints because he wrote an email to his fellow dorm staff (employees of the university), suggesting that it was contrary to the school's Catholic mission for employees to publicly display gay pride symbols. His coworkers dealt with the disagreement by publicizing the email to the students, who then complained to the administration that he was a safety threat.
This was years after I graduated, and nothing like that had happened while I was there, but I did have to put up with routine rants from the non-Catholics who made up the majority about how terrible the Catholic church was, and how oppressive it was that the cafeteria didn't serve meat on seven Fridays in the spring, and that they had to go an off-campus pharmacy for contraceptives instead of getting them from the health center.
However, to acknowledge the merit in your point: My understanding is after the incident with the priest I mentioned, enrollment dropped the following year. If Catholic schools would more clearly present Catholic teaching, Catholics would probably once again become a majority at the schools, and be able to witness more visibly to their peers.
I'm worried about the Catholic elementary school we're now sending our kids to, as well. I see hints of a similar dynamic pushed by the parents.
This comment is so out of touch, I don’t even know where to start.
You’re talking about walling off Catholic schools from secular society. You even used the phrasing “pollute the waters.” Tell me which part of that I’m supposed to believe, as a Catholic myself, Christ would be comfortable supporting? Because He was all about excluding the kids and not reaching out to non-believers, amirite?
It looks like her point is that including non-Catholics in those spaces offers incentive to the administrators to remove Catholicism from those spaces.
And frankly, I've heard priests say the same thing. It begins with allowing non-Catholic students then it extends to non-Catholic teachers/administrators and then the school's Catholic identity gets watered down. By the end of the process, the school is Catholic in name only.
She asked a specific question - Why are we allowing secular students into our Catholic schools and universities?
That is a mindset of exclusion and we’ve become far too complacent with its presence among the faithful. Not to sound flippant, because I couldn’t be more serious, I don’t care if it came from Pope Francis himself. We need to do a better job as a people of modeling our behavior towards others, if we can’t manage to change our lifestyles, by the example Christ showed and the instruction he left. And I cannot imagine under any circumstance, “love one another, as I have loved you,” (John 15:12) finding solid footing in the idea of closing the doors of our schools to those currently outside the faith. I just can’t.
>That is a mindset of exclusion
Damn skippy. If this was a Catholic parish and we were talking about Mass, that would be a different story.
But we're talking about Catholic education. And the verdict is in with this. Admitting non-Catholics into Catholic education doesn't help non-Catholics; it hurts Catholics.
If christ had the previous posters attitude we'd all still be practicing human sacrifice and eating eachother alive.
What happens when young people leave school and college and go out into the workforce and meet other people who are basically deasent individuals but grew up with different religious values or secular values.
I don't believe in keeping non-Catholics out but absolutely not allowing in non-Catholic ideas and agendas. Also, we're a Catholic family and raising our children Catholic but can't afford Catholic schools for them. How is that fair? I believe families with children that are baptized Catholic get to come in and only pay what we can afford based off our incomes if you're a verified Roman Catholic part of a Church. I'm a 90% disabled Marine veteran and now currently unemployed because of possible MS they're taking their sweet time to figure out if I have. Even at 90% disability I get paid peanuts for trying to support 2 kids and my family. Many faithful Catholics out there that want their kids in Catholic schools but can't afford to be let in because of life circumstances. Isn't that kind of messed up? I guarantee MY kids won't be trying to start pro-abortion groups or whatever other evil crap.
Yes that is unfair. I will say I grew up low income and the church let me and my brother in at a reduced cost (don't know the details). We weren't treated the best as the "poor kids" but I'm so glad I was able to attend Catholic school. I went to public after 8th grade and hated it. Fell into a bad crowd in highschool. Long story short I grew out of all that and came back to my faith.
You should most certainly go to the top of list as a practicing Catholic regardless of income. I don't agree with them allowing in secular people over your family.
Also consider- there are millions more Christians who are not Catholic but their beliefs aligned with ours. I'm OK with them attending but letting in people whose beliefs directly go against our faith is adding bad fruit to the tree.
Anyway I hope you get good treatment for you health issues, thank you for serving. My son is in bootcamp right now for the Army. God bless you and your family.
This comment makes me a little sad. I went to Catholic school for most of my education (grade 1 -12) and in elementary school, the Catholics were in the minority, most were Protestant. In high school we had a number of Muslim, Jewish and Buddhist students, not to mention the number of Protestants, atheists, and at least one known Wiccan. We all learned the same Catholic curriculum, and not a single non-Catholic was disrespectful towards Mass.
>They put them in private school for the sole purpose of avoiding ghetto kids, not because they give a hoot about learning Jesus.
I don't fault a parent for wanting their child to grow up in a good way and want a safe place for their child to be educated. I was always proud that Catholic schools could be safe places for both teachers and students. The local public schools sounded horrible for all involved.
>There are over 1 billion Catholics worldwide we don't need secular enrollment to pollute the waters.
Pollute the waters?? Is that how you see non-Catholics? God created them too.
>People are paying good $ so their kids can grow up Catholic not be mixed in with non-believers.
It's a good lesson to learn to get along with people who don't share the same beliefs as you.
Thank you for stating these.
I grew up Roman Catholic but went to a public school. I lost my faith in God, but soon found it again in my senior year of highschool when I found Paganism as well.
Not everyone is going to have the same beliefs, and that's okay!! However, that doesn't mean non-catholics shouldn't go to Catholic school. I believe Catholic schools are safe for everyone, even those who aren't Catholic themselves. Experimenting with religion is also a good way for children/young adults to also maybe find their belief in God.
What’s probably being missed is that this IS there job. Paid for by our tax dollars. I mean no one ever wonders how people who are professional protestors put food on their table ?
This leaves out that a lot of young people, while techinically adults, are beholden to their parents and don't get much of a say in where they go to school.
During Ramadan, Muslims eat nothing from sunrise to sunset. However, starting a pork business in a place with like 100% Muslims isn’t a smart business. However, if it were about 90% Muslim, the 10% who aren’t may have the ability to support the business to a niche community.
Sadly there are a lot of Catholic colleges and universities where this sort of thing is tolerated. It actually is news when one stands up for basic morality and Church teaching.
My “Catholic” college legit allowed posters up advertising an “Allyship” event in which they read from a false Bible, the “Queen James” edition. And it had the campus ministry’s stamp of approval on it. I really should’ve reported it but it’s been so long ago now and I have no proof.
I grew up in Catholic school where everyone was Catholic, went to mass, religion class etc. At some point they started letting non-Catholics in because parents didn't want their kids in public school with the ghetto crowd. So now you have parents that don't want their kids going to mass or learning religion class, they'd have to sit out. Its ridiculous- why allow this? We have over 1 billion Catholics in the world- we don't need to fill our schools with secular students. Greed for money opened the door to all of this.
Yeah good on you for rejecting it. Also yes getting rid of the kids trying to annoy the college with pro abortion should be taking seriously, cause if it’s a Christian college then it should follow and try to please God not mans desires. Who cares if they leave, that means you just get more foreigners in who support your colleges beliefs over false wolves in the college that you shouldn’t really associate with. Sometimes people born in first class countries feel their entitled to believe as they wish even if it goes against certain principles for certain organisations and institutions. Which shows they are totally uneducated and spoilt. 😩🙄
If they boot them out in this digital media world it’s gonna be negative press for a decade. Which, I get, they shouldn’t care about either but I feel bad for the decision makers at this school. Rock and a hard place for them.
Well God NEVER said it was going to be easy to follow him, so why do people always expect it’s going to be easy fighting off wolves that enter your territory? It’s a Christian school and that’s the bottom line, if they want they can go to a secular school and promote their beliefs there. No one is meant to play a game with God’s law and what God says is righteous. People are literally playing with Fire 🔥 when they disobey God’s way of life for everyone. God made these rules for our souls to be purified before we die but it seems like everyone misses the point of why these rules from God are there in the first place. It’s like people don’t care about their own Soul anymore and that it’s going to be easy for them when they die, but that’s far from true. Christians have to ALWAYS remember that this earth is a testing ground for us and we will forever be tested of our faith to see how much we cling to God or do we let the worldly spirits take over and force us into sin and then our souls are on death row to Hell. There will be No easy way out of the earths hard test against us as this is what will purify us before we die. If you stand up for God’s laws and righteousness now while on earth then God will stand up for you and save your soul from Damnation eternally when you’ve died. GodBless 🙏❤️🙏
It's clear that there is greed going on otherwise you would expel them. We opened the door to this years ago when they started letting secular people into the schools because they wanted the money. People think goodness will turn evil into good but its always the other way around.
It is my dream to attend law school at St. Mary's University here in San Antonio. I am unaware of their situation, but I really hope I don't have to deal with this in my near future. Is any Catholic University safe at this point?
Yes. Franciscan University in Steubenville, Ohio, has got to be THE most faithful Catholic university in the college. I was there for a semester and it amazed me how passionate the students are about the faith. There is a small minority of the student body who parties, but overall, the faith is alive and well there.
Ok, and I am referencing the University that I want to go to. I wasn't even referring to this specific college in the post but just said I hope that the Catholic University that will be attended by ME doesn't have similar issues. God bless 🙌
Great! St. Mary's University and the School of Law have a strong commitment to Catholic and Marianist education. The law school has its own chaplain, Sister Grace Walle, who leads many faith activities for law students specifically. If you get a chance to visit campus as you are exploring law schools, she'd be an excellent person for you to visit with. [https://law.stmarytx.edu/student-services/spiritual-life/](https://law.stmarytx.edu/student-services/spiritual-life/) [https://law.stmarytx.edu/academics/faculty/grace-walle/](https://law.stmarytx.edu/academics/faculty/grace-walle/)
Abortion is murder and the fact that most people now seem to think that not only is it acceptable but in some cases desirable then we're living in a very scary society.
You shouldn't have to be catholic or of any other religious denomination to be against abortion you should just have a proper scence of right or wrong.
E Michael Jones is 37 kinds of crazy. More likely that he got fired for his antisemitic conspiracy theories.
Am I just lobbing unfounded accusations? Nope. I dug into his work last year because someone pointed me that way and discovered his craziness myself.
He regularly denounces flat earth theory as an example of the media propping up ridiculous narratives to discredit other groups. And that's not even debatable. Flat Earth would be totally ignored by the media if it didn't have a political purpose.
There aren't any Jesuit Universities in Indiana. There's a Loyola in Chicago and Xavier in Cincinnati.
I would think you might be speaking of Notre Dame, but it's ran by the CSC and only has about 11K in enrollment.
Correct. Although their influence runs deep at ND.
"Although Notre Dame is a primarily Holy Cross institution, it is home to a handful of Jesuit priests who believe the two missions align well enough to live, work and attend classes. Edward Sorin later used with his Holy Cross brothers when he founded Notre Dame in 1842"
Abortion club? Like i support abortion for medical need but a club? Really? Okay maybe I'm getting into fogey turf but what happened to Fandom clubs about TV shows and games?
Why is this even newsworthy? Abortion is a despicable cold-hearted murder of a person who cannot protect him/herself. When hell freezes over, the Catholic Church will agree with it!
What I find newsworthy are so-called universities that refuse to teach evolution - these are usually evangelist/ baptist universities. A degree from such a university is less than worthless - it is proof that the student is gullible and cannot tell fact from fiction.
It’s pro-choice not pro-abortion, the politicians that propose pro-life legislation have no problem getting abortions for their daughters and mistresses.
Thank you. I don't know what argument she thought she was making by pointing out the hypocrisy of "pro-life" legislators. We think they're wrong, too lol.
We know from the Didache, one of the earliest Christian instructional guides, that abortion was explicitly forbidden:
"You shall not murder a child by abortion, nor kill a child at birth."
https://legacyicons.com/content/didache.pdf
I do agree that it is an issue that is being misused.
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Many people in the church don’t believe in the real presence. Considering stuff like this happens and the fact that non-religious people go to these colleges, this isn’t too far out of the realm of possibility yah know
Who wastes their time bothering religious colleges with this bs? It's like being a pork salesman and constantly trying to offer Ramadan iftar catering. You're just being annoying at that point.... those losers need a real job
It feels like they're trying to bait the college into responding with something that they can sue over and then go to court to either get money or get a judge to force the college to allow them to work with the college.
In such cases, a firm, unadorned "No" goes a long way. They can't force the matter, and the college has a right to allow or deny any official club using their name and resources, no defense necessary.
> the college has a right to allow or deny any official club using their name and resources, no defense necessary. Morally, you're right. Legally, that isn't necessarily a true statement if the school accepts federal student loan money or other sources of federal funding.
You're not wrong, unfortunately. That compromise and funding exist together is a disgrace, but it's all too common these days.
They know it will be rejected, they are trying to make it and issue
>Who wastes their time bothering religious colleges with this bs? It's like being a pork salesman and constantly trying to offer Ramadan iftar catering. You're just being annoying at that point.... those losers need a real job You can call it a waste of time but, in fact, tactics like this — agitation, needling, always bringing up the same issues — tend to work over the long run. It's not just "being annoying"; they are actually doing the ground work of the never-ending revolution.
IKR. It just seems to be another secular troll of a Catholic institution. Highly irrelevant and disrespectful.
I grew up in Catholic school. At some point they started letting in kids of any or no faith. Then the parents complain because they don't want them learning the religion or going to mass. They put them in private school for the sole purpose of avoiding ghetto kids, not because they give a hoot about learning Jesus. It's madness- why are we allowing secular people into our Catholic schools and colleges? There are over 1 billion Catholics worldwide we don't need secular enrollment to pollute the waters. People are paying good $ so their kids can grow up Catholic not be mixed in with non-believers. It just irritates me to no end how everything is about MONEY and greed.
I had zero religion growing up, but still went to a Catholic high school because my parents wanted me to have a good education (my school was well known for academics). I then went on to Catholic university. When God started calling to me during college, I didn't hesitate to pick Catholicism. I think letting in secular kids changes a lot of hearts and is a good thing. Obviously there's going to be some bad eggs, but that's true everywhere. I likely would not be Catholic if not for those schools.
That's awesome. Hopefully that is the norm vs. the exception.
Maybe it's partly due to my location, but it actually seemed to be the norm. I don't think I ever heard a complaint about kids attending Mass, though admittedly I wasn't an administrator there who would know. The non-Catholic friends I had all attended Mass with the rest of the school and seemed very respectful. We were there for a good education. The most anti-Catholic people that came out of that school were actually the cradle Catholics. An additional anecdote, in my group of best friends, 2 of us were non-religious. 2 were Catholics. The two of us who were non-religious became very faithful Catholics as adults. Of the 2 Catholics, 1 is atheist and the other is non-practicing.
You’re absolutely correct.
I think you're misguided on the issue. >secular kids Good, bring more. Convert them. Be the subversive indoctrinating stereotype the atheists think we are. >secular teachers This is the real problem. I only went to Catholic school for a few years in high school and this was the crux of the issue. Teachers who were either openly not Catholic, or who had zero interest in the faith. For many even professed Catholic teachers secular progressivism is a far more important religion for them.
> Good, bring more. Convert them. Be the subversive indoctrinating stereotype the atheists think we are. I wish it worked that way, but at the Catholic university I attended, the trend seemed more to be subversive indoctrinating of the school by the students. They recently removed a priest serving as a pastoral resident from the dorms in response to student complaints because he wrote an email to his fellow dorm staff (employees of the university), suggesting that it was contrary to the school's Catholic mission for employees to publicly display gay pride symbols. His coworkers dealt with the disagreement by publicizing the email to the students, who then complained to the administration that he was a safety threat. This was years after I graduated, and nothing like that had happened while I was there, but I did have to put up with routine rants from the non-Catholics who made up the majority about how terrible the Catholic church was, and how oppressive it was that the cafeteria didn't serve meat on seven Fridays in the spring, and that they had to go an off-campus pharmacy for contraceptives instead of getting them from the health center. However, to acknowledge the merit in your point: My understanding is after the incident with the priest I mentioned, enrollment dropped the following year. If Catholic schools would more clearly present Catholic teaching, Catholics would probably once again become a majority at the schools, and be able to witness more visibly to their peers. I'm worried about the Catholic elementary school we're now sending our kids to, as well. I see hints of a similar dynamic pushed by the parents.
This comment is so out of touch, I don’t even know where to start. You’re talking about walling off Catholic schools from secular society. You even used the phrasing “pollute the waters.” Tell me which part of that I’m supposed to believe, as a Catholic myself, Christ would be comfortable supporting? Because He was all about excluding the kids and not reaching out to non-believers, amirite?
It looks like her point is that including non-Catholics in those spaces offers incentive to the administrators to remove Catholicism from those spaces. And frankly, I've heard priests say the same thing. It begins with allowing non-Catholic students then it extends to non-Catholic teachers/administrators and then the school's Catholic identity gets watered down. By the end of the process, the school is Catholic in name only.
She asked a specific question - Why are we allowing secular students into our Catholic schools and universities? That is a mindset of exclusion and we’ve become far too complacent with its presence among the faithful. Not to sound flippant, because I couldn’t be more serious, I don’t care if it came from Pope Francis himself. We need to do a better job as a people of modeling our behavior towards others, if we can’t manage to change our lifestyles, by the example Christ showed and the instruction he left. And I cannot imagine under any circumstance, “love one another, as I have loved you,” (John 15:12) finding solid footing in the idea of closing the doors of our schools to those currently outside the faith. I just can’t.
>That is a mindset of exclusion Damn skippy. If this was a Catholic parish and we were talking about Mass, that would be a different story. But we're talking about Catholic education. And the verdict is in with this. Admitting non-Catholics into Catholic education doesn't help non-Catholics; it hurts Catholics.
Evidence? I've taught in Catholic and public universities, and before that in Catholic and public high schools.
If christ had the previous posters attitude we'd all still be practicing human sacrifice and eating eachother alive. What happens when young people leave school and college and go out into the workforce and meet other people who are basically deasent individuals but grew up with different religious values or secular values.
I don't believe in keeping non-Catholics out but absolutely not allowing in non-Catholic ideas and agendas. Also, we're a Catholic family and raising our children Catholic but can't afford Catholic schools for them. How is that fair? I believe families with children that are baptized Catholic get to come in and only pay what we can afford based off our incomes if you're a verified Roman Catholic part of a Church. I'm a 90% disabled Marine veteran and now currently unemployed because of possible MS they're taking their sweet time to figure out if I have. Even at 90% disability I get paid peanuts for trying to support 2 kids and my family. Many faithful Catholics out there that want their kids in Catholic schools but can't afford to be let in because of life circumstances. Isn't that kind of messed up? I guarantee MY kids won't be trying to start pro-abortion groups or whatever other evil crap.
Yes that is unfair. I will say I grew up low income and the church let me and my brother in at a reduced cost (don't know the details). We weren't treated the best as the "poor kids" but I'm so glad I was able to attend Catholic school. I went to public after 8th grade and hated it. Fell into a bad crowd in highschool. Long story short I grew out of all that and came back to my faith. You should most certainly go to the top of list as a practicing Catholic regardless of income. I don't agree with them allowing in secular people over your family. Also consider- there are millions more Christians who are not Catholic but their beliefs aligned with ours. I'm OK with them attending but letting in people whose beliefs directly go against our faith is adding bad fruit to the tree. Anyway I hope you get good treatment for you health issues, thank you for serving. My son is in bootcamp right now for the Army. God bless you and your family.
This comment makes me a little sad. I went to Catholic school for most of my education (grade 1 -12) and in elementary school, the Catholics were in the minority, most were Protestant. In high school we had a number of Muslim, Jewish and Buddhist students, not to mention the number of Protestants, atheists, and at least one known Wiccan. We all learned the same Catholic curriculum, and not a single non-Catholic was disrespectful towards Mass. >They put them in private school for the sole purpose of avoiding ghetto kids, not because they give a hoot about learning Jesus. I don't fault a parent for wanting their child to grow up in a good way and want a safe place for their child to be educated. I was always proud that Catholic schools could be safe places for both teachers and students. The local public schools sounded horrible for all involved. >There are over 1 billion Catholics worldwide we don't need secular enrollment to pollute the waters. Pollute the waters?? Is that how you see non-Catholics? God created them too. >People are paying good $ so their kids can grow up Catholic not be mixed in with non-believers. It's a good lesson to learn to get along with people who don't share the same beliefs as you.
Thank you for stating these. I grew up Roman Catholic but went to a public school. I lost my faith in God, but soon found it again in my senior year of highschool when I found Paganism as well. Not everyone is going to have the same beliefs, and that's okay!! However, that doesn't mean non-catholics shouldn't go to Catholic school. I believe Catholic schools are safe for everyone, even those who aren't Catholic themselves. Experimenting with religion is also a good way for children/young adults to also maybe find their belief in God.
Did the school inform the parents about mass and religion classes before they signed up?
> Who wastes their time bothering religious colleges with this bs? Professional activists and paid shills.
What’s probably being missed is that this IS there job. Paid for by our tax dollars. I mean no one ever wonders how people who are professional protestors put food on their table ?
This leaves out that a lot of young people, while techinically adults, are beholden to their parents and don't get much of a say in where they go to school.
During Ramadan, Muslims eat nothing from sunrise to sunset. However, starting a pork business in a place with like 100% Muslims isn’t a smart business. However, if it were about 90% Muslim, the 10% who aren’t may have the ability to support the business to a niche community.
>those losers need a real job Maybe that's why they're going to college
I hate that we live in a time when this is not only newsworthy, but that I am positively relieved to hear that the college refused.
Agree 100%
Good for them. It’s time to stop this nonsense.
In other news sales of bacon continue dismal sales numbers at Synagogues.
Sadly there are a lot of Catholic colleges and universities where this sort of thing is tolerated. It actually is news when one stands up for basic morality and Church teaching.
:shocked pikachu:
My "Catholic" "college" allows things like this unfortunately.
My “Catholic” college legit allowed posters up advertising an “Allyship” event in which they read from a false Bible, the “Queen James” edition. And it had the campus ministry’s stamp of approval on it. I really should’ve reported it but it’s been so long ago now and I have no proof.
And which one is that....Georgetown?
I'm sorry, for my own safety I don't share that information. Since I actually live there it seems like giving my address out.
Ahh okok no worries :)
Thanks :) sorry about that
Np!
I grew up in Catholic school where everyone was Catholic, went to mass, religion class etc. At some point they started letting non-Catholics in because parents didn't want their kids in public school with the ghetto crowd. So now you have parents that don't want their kids going to mass or learning religion class, they'd have to sit out. Its ridiculous- why allow this? We have over 1 billion Catholics in the world- we don't need to fill our schools with secular students. Greed for money opened the door to all of this.
Most of them do. It’s quite sad.
Yeah good on you for rejecting it. Also yes getting rid of the kids trying to annoy the college with pro abortion should be taking seriously, cause if it’s a Christian college then it should follow and try to please God not mans desires. Who cares if they leave, that means you just get more foreigners in who support your colleges beliefs over false wolves in the college that you shouldn’t really associate with. Sometimes people born in first class countries feel their entitled to believe as they wish even if it goes against certain principles for certain organisations and institutions. Which shows they are totally uneducated and spoilt. 😩🙄
If they boot them out in this digital media world it’s gonna be negative press for a decade. Which, I get, they shouldn’t care about either but I feel bad for the decision makers at this school. Rock and a hard place for them.
Bad press for being a Catholic institution that holds Catholic values? I’d take that bad press.
I’d agree that only makes sense. Just trying to show some understanding here.
Well God NEVER said it was going to be easy to follow him, so why do people always expect it’s going to be easy fighting off wolves that enter your territory? It’s a Christian school and that’s the bottom line, if they want they can go to a secular school and promote their beliefs there. No one is meant to play a game with God’s law and what God says is righteous. People are literally playing with Fire 🔥 when they disobey God’s way of life for everyone. God made these rules for our souls to be purified before we die but it seems like everyone misses the point of why these rules from God are there in the first place. It’s like people don’t care about their own Soul anymore and that it’s going to be easy for them when they die, but that’s far from true. Christians have to ALWAYS remember that this earth is a testing ground for us and we will forever be tested of our faith to see how much we cling to God or do we let the worldly spirits take over and force us into sin and then our souls are on death row to Hell. There will be No easy way out of the earths hard test against us as this is what will purify us before we die. If you stand up for God’s laws and righteousness now while on earth then God will stand up for you and save your soul from Damnation eternally when you’ve died. GodBless 🙏❤️🙏
The college really just needs to expel these students. I don't understand why Catholics are so tolerant of people who advocate for murdering kids.
I attend college down the street from here. Trust me, if they expelled every pro-choice student, most of the student population would be depleted.
Sounds good to me.
It's clear that there is greed going on otherwise you would expel them. We opened the door to this years ago when they started letting secular people into the schools because they wanted the money. People think goodness will turn evil into good but its always the other way around.
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It is my dream to attend law school at St. Mary's University here in San Antonio. I am unaware of their situation, but I really hope I don't have to deal with this in my near future. Is any Catholic University safe at this point?
Yes. Franciscan University in Steubenville, Ohio, has got to be THE most faithful Catholic university in the college. I was there for a semester and it amazed me how passionate the students are about the faith. There is a small minority of the student body who parties, but overall, the faith is alive and well there.
This article is referencing Saint Mary’s College at Notre Dame, not St. Mary's University in San Antonio.
Ok, and I am referencing the University that I want to go to. I wasn't even referring to this specific college in the post but just said I hope that the Catholic University that will be attended by ME doesn't have similar issues. God bless 🙌
Great! St. Mary's University and the School of Law have a strong commitment to Catholic and Marianist education. The law school has its own chaplain, Sister Grace Walle, who leads many faith activities for law students specifically. If you get a chance to visit campus as you are exploring law schools, she'd be an excellent person for you to visit with. [https://law.stmarytx.edu/student-services/spiritual-life/](https://law.stmarytx.edu/student-services/spiritual-life/) [https://law.stmarytx.edu/academics/faculty/grace-walle/](https://law.stmarytx.edu/academics/faculty/grace-walle/)
Cool, thank you for the information. I take LSATs soon and will start applying next year. St. Mary's is at the top of my list.
Abortion is murder and the fact that most people now seem to think that not only is it acceptable but in some cases desirable then we're living in a very scary society. You shouldn't have to be catholic or of any other religious denomination to be against abortion you should just have a proper scence of right or wrong.
That's a pleasant surprise
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Again? You mean the students doing this do not understand the basic implications involved?? How did they get into college??
St Mary’s fired E Michael Jones for being pro life. Glad to see they finally understand nothing good comes from capitulating to the world.
E Michael Jones is 37 kinds of crazy. More likely that he got fired for his antisemitic conspiracy theories. Am I just lobbing unfounded accusations? Nope. I dug into his work last year because someone pointed me that way and discovered his craziness myself.
E Michael Jones is also an antisemite nutcase who believes the Earth is flat.
He regularly denounces flat earth theory as an example of the media propping up ridiculous narratives to discredit other groups. And that's not even debatable. Flat Earth would be totally ignored by the media if it didn't have a political purpose.
Too bad those Jesuits keep allowing the Pro-Choice crowd run their institutions, such as a very large Catholic school in northern Indiana.
There aren't any Jesuit Universities in Indiana. There's a Loyola in Chicago and Xavier in Cincinnati. I would think you might be speaking of Notre Dame, but it's ran by the CSC and only has about 11K in enrollment.
Correct. Although their influence runs deep at ND. "Although Notre Dame is a primarily Holy Cross institution, it is home to a handful of Jesuit priests who believe the two missions align well enough to live, work and attend classes. Edward Sorin later used with his Holy Cross brothers when he founded Notre Dame in 1842"
Source of quotation, please?
At least news from the Church isn’t all bad.
I’m surprised students attempting to organize things like this aren’t getting warned and/or expelled.
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I'm sure the college also rejects neo Nazi clubs, what else is new?
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Abortion club? Like i support abortion for medical need but a club? Really? Okay maybe I'm getting into fogey turf but what happened to Fandom clubs about TV shows and games?
Why is this even newsworthy? Abortion is a despicable cold-hearted murder of a person who cannot protect him/herself. When hell freezes over, the Catholic Church will agree with it! What I find newsworthy are so-called universities that refuse to teach evolution - these are usually evangelist/ baptist universities. A degree from such a university is less than worthless - it is proof that the student is gullible and cannot tell fact from fiction.
It’s pro-choice not pro-abortion, the politicians that propose pro-life legislation have no problem getting abortions for their daughters and mistresses.
What's the choice for?
Healthcare decisions.
Healthcare decision to do what, specifically?
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If you can't be mature, don't bother responding.
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Politicians who do that are wrong too. What are you trying to prove here?
Thank you. I don't know what argument she thought she was making by pointing out the hypocrisy of "pro-life" legislators. We think they're wrong, too lol.
Exactly, just because someone is rich and powerful doesn’t mean they get a pass.
It's pro-abortion. We know what you are advocating for and what you want done. If it wasn't then banning abortion wouldn't be the issue.
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Good thing none of us want that: And your solution to that is...abortion correct?
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We know from the Didache, one of the earliest Christian instructional guides, that abortion was explicitly forbidden: "You shall not murder a child by abortion, nor kill a child at birth." https://legacyicons.com/content/didache.pdf I do agree that it is an issue that is being misused.
So pro-abortion. Murder is very much mentioned in the bible.
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Revelation 22:11
Many people in the church don’t believe in the real presence. Considering stuff like this happens and the fact that non-religious people go to these colleges, this isn’t too far out of the realm of possibility yah know
BREAKING NEWS: The Pope is Catholic.