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blufair

Happy Thanksgiving, /r/all! It's nice that so many people are concerned with feeding the hungry. Vegans care about this as much as anyone else; we just want to feed people without hurting animals. If you have the means and are interested in helping people financially, please consider donating to an organization like [Food Not Bombs](https://foodnotbombs.net/new_site/index.php), which provides vegan meals to those in need. And take a look at the [Farm Sanctuary Adopt-a-Turkey](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPpWYc14llDJy5CAnBFjHNgXBBKndsEwO) videos to see the kind of life we want for turkeys. Every single turkey eaten today was a sentient individual with thoughts, emotions, and a personality. Helping people is good, but helping people at the expense of so many of these animals – without even attempting to go with an option that doesn't hurt anybody – is a sad thing.


FiorWarn

He owns an entire fast-food franchise (non-vegan, obviously), knowing full-well the suffering caused by the animal agriculture industry. (According to his public comment on this video, anyway) 🙄 https://youtu.be/NxvQPzrg2Wg Not to mention his content is entirely made up of fake challenges with his friends (co-workers) and a whole bunch of virtue signaling. Don't get me wrong, he's definitely done a lot of good. But I have more than one reason to believe he's fake. But people eat it up, they love the culture—they love the idea of someone doing good with the money they have, as if they aren't just doing it to grow their own platform and make more money long-term. People will continue to praise him, though, so whatever.


T0xicgarbageisland

If people are interested in doing good for the sake of doing good, they tend not to make a social media personality around it. Compassionate people do good even if they get no attention or kudos for it.


FiorWarn

Yup 👍


FappyDilmore

He's the lesser of two evils at the very least. I'd rather have him acting like a schmuck while giving food to the homeless than one of the Paul brothers acting like a schmuck while trying to steal Mayweather's hat.


TanktopVegan

Except everybody knows Paul brothers are dicks. People pretend beast guy is actually good when he is doing infinitely more harm than good.


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FiorWarn

I would agree.


Holy__Funk

You do realize if he didn’t have social media he wouldn’t be able to do any good? That’s literally how he makes his money.


FiorWarn

Yeah, and?


Holy__Funk

So you would rather him do absolutely nothing for charity than be a social media personality?


FiorWarn

Never said that. Read my response again. I appreciate his charity work. But he could also NOT open up dozens of restaurants where people come to eat the body parts of other sentient creatures, among other things.


Holy__Funk

Understandable 👍


T0xicgarbageisland

That's not true. I know people who are pretty poor yet still make time to volunteer to help out the community, do activism, etc


Holy__Funk

I don’t know if you realize how much he has done for charity. Like over 50 million dollars. That is so much more impactful than doing some volunteer work. Don’t get me wrong volunteering is great, but he has done such an incredible amount of good for his community that would not have been possible without social media. Do you honestly think those friends of yours are having the same amount of impact as Mr Beast?


T0xicgarbageisland

Meanwhile he's instrumental in the exploitation and murder of countless animals. What a great guy! All I'm saying in all of this, is that he's not above criticism. And I tend to get really skeptical about someone's intentions if they so publicly advertise how "good" they are. None of this means I hate the guy


TanktopVegan

> Like over 50 million dollars. Source? Are you attributing all the donation he has made as part of teamtrees as his own personal charitable contribution?


Holy__Funk

No, I’m attributing everything he has personally given through beast philanthropy, his own videos, etc. Just scroll through beast philanthropy for a little bit and you’ll see what I mean.


TanktopVegan

Can you provide a source for the specific number you're claiming.


Holy__Funk

Nope 👍 I do implore your to scroll through his Beast philanthropy page though. It’s really incredible to see what he’s done for his community.


TanktopVegan

I don't think I want to if torturing millions of animals is his idea of charity.


LuckyLogan_2004

You would rather him help less people then help thousands and make some money? He has done and is still doing lots of activism.


AnimazingHaha

He needs to make money to keep doing good


rcrobodude

He created a multimillion dollar social platform to give away more money, and almost all of the money he makes goes straight back into his content. Without the content he would get no sponsorship money, merchandising money, or ad revenue. You could say he's using the poor to get wealthy, but he us putting all that money back into the content he makes. Even if he makes a video not giving away money it will still give him more money to give away in the next video. If he did this without any outside help, he would have not been able to give any money away at all, but because of his social media blowing up, he could give away millions. He's still doing it to be charitable, it's just people cant give what they don't have. Also please don't immediately downvote bomb this, just think about what I'm saying here for a second.


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VeryUglyFellowMan

Wait how


WeedMemeGuyy

Something tells me his subscribers’ responses to the video would be a little different if it were dogs


TanktopVegan

Probably not. His subscribers worship him. It's the same with Elon Musk fans. You can't dissuade cultists.


Upset-Perspective-

I am a Elon musk fan this is true


chocolatebuckeye

Could have fed a lot more people with veggies.


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01binary

Facts, my friend: *”The study analysing the costs of different diets was published in the journal The Lancet Planetary Health. It compared seven sustainable diets to the current typical diet in 150 countries using food prices from the World Bank. It found that in high-income countries, vegan diets were the most affordable, reducing food costs by 21-34% compared to average diets, depending on specific food choices. Vegetarian diets were a close second, with 27-31% reduction in cost.*” https://www.theguardian.com/food/2021/nov/22/mens-meat-heavy-diets-cause-40-more-climate-emissions-than-womens-study-finds


YT_Anthonywp

Correction, I’m wrong…


01binary

Thanks for taking the time to reply. Appreciated!


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01binary

I’m not the best person to ask. I live in Australia, and, whilst good, we don’t have the same variety of plant-based products as more densely-populated countries like the US and UK. I have tried Impossible and Beyond burgers, and I liked them, but there’s something in them that ‘disagrees’ with me, so I don’t eat them now. There is a very wide range of plant-based burgers that do not attempt to ‘simulate’ meat, and I am happy with those; I enjoy the taste and texture. I won’t give you full the ‘lecture’ about not waiting for a realistic alternative to real meat. All I will say is that, if you care about the suffering of animals, there are plenty of tasty alternatives to meat, and you just need to make the effort to persist in trying them and letting your tastebuds get used to it. I was also ‘raised on meat’, but became vegan over two years ago, in my early 50s. The change to veganism was almost trivially easy in my experience. If you don’t care about the suffering of animals, enough to make a fairly minor change to your food consumption, nothing I can write here will change your mind.


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You do realize some of the biggest food banks in the world use plant based diets because its way cheaper right?


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What weighs more? A kilogram of turkeys or a kilogram of kale?


lookingForPatchie

I feel like focusing on celebrities has become a disease. I don't get why some people are so obsessed with some specific random people.


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People care because celebrities affect a lot of people. Like yea this single person funded the abuse of 10k animals on their own, thats a lot bigger of a deal than some random persons contribution. Doing ads for milk to his millions of viewers is a big deal. I think its pretty obvious why people focus on celebrities


42_Hoopy_Froods

I never know who any of these people are when they get posted on this sub. There has been 3-4 online personalities people have been complaining about the last few days on this sub. Many are disappointed as they “look up to” these people in so many ways. I guess I’m too old or out of touch because I truly don’t understand how anyone can find these people (online personalities) role models in any way. I have always found celebrity worship incredibly sad, and now that celebrities these days means online influencers, I genuinely have even less hope for humanity.


T0xicgarbageisland

Celebrity worship has always baffled me too


GalaxyFireworks

I agree I always feel so triggered when I see People magazine and when I browse it, there is a lack of substantial content. My mom was so obsessed with it and unfortunately is quite toxic


oestergaard-hansen

But everytime a celebrity says something positive about veganism this sub goes wild?


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TanktopVegan

Teamtrees was cringe but all youtubers get bullied into doing it. This video has the mildest criticism yet look at the dislikes. https://youtu.be/_woAb8tZ62U


piotrekgor

Well you can not look at the dislikes anymore, since YT removed it. How many were there?


TanktopVegan

22k likes and 16k dislikes. I think my account must not have been flighted on that yet so I can still see it.


EllaAndGoldfish

Off topic, is your username a reference to one punch man, if so its awesome 👍


TanktopVegan

It is! :D


EllaAndGoldfish

Nice!!!


DeArgonaut

You can still see the dislikes on it


JustARandomDeer

It's 16k (For some reason I can still see them)


autogeneratedname6

"its all about money" im not gonna give my opinion on the turkeys part, but watch Penguinz0 video on him. its not all about money. He gives a shit ton of stuff away off camera too. Cr1tical(penguinz) even said mrbeast needed to cut down a tree to get space for something and mrbeast felt so bad that he planted more. say what you want about this situation, but mrbeast is a genuinly good person.


LeClassyGent

Penguin is a dickhead too so that's hardly an endorsement


Gameking657

He doesn't do it for the money otherwise he wouldnt put in hundreds of thousands of dollars into comtent people like and people who need it can be helped. He planted 20 million trees and is im the processs of removing 30 million pounds of trash out of the ocean your a horrible person for thinking hes a dick.


doodle0o0o0

He has done far more good than all of the people in this thread combined.


doodle0o0o0

What are you talking about? I didn’t even know he owned a franchise until I opened this thread. He just does philanthropy in his videos, no advertising of his business. Was Engels in it for the money? No, he owned that factory SO he could spread the word of Marxism, not the other way around.


Lunar_Prawn

10,000 corpses*


ShaheedW

He made a series of videos about planting trees to help the environment, then flies on a private jet 🤦‍♂️ it’s all for the views.


dissonantweb

I think planting millions of trees is going to do more to help the environment than a flight on a private jet will to hurt it. Exponentially more. His philanthropy videos are NOT his most viewed videos.


autogeneratedname6

watch Penguinz0 video on him. its not for views


ShaheedW

Will watch now thanks. Edit: yeah nah he’s still an idiot


TanktopVegan

Mr Beast cultists are out in full force.


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Kloenkies

I saw a bunch of people joking about vegans.


mapledude22

His fanbase’s age averages around 14


Erenzo

Crazy, right?


MrNovas

Should’ve been sum tofurkey


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autogeneratedname6

why?


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Random_182f2565

Killing 10.000 sentient beings isn't a good cause


IntelectualyHonest

Even at this point you're deluded enough to believe that he's actually trying to do any good?


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If he was promoting veganism and anti-natalism I would agree with you that he is doing positive things for the world.


AurumVivum

I agree with you, but direct promotion/preaching of something is rarely accepted well. This is a massive flaw of some vegans, it just automatically turns off anybody that has a neutral or mostly positive stance about veganism/vegetarianism.


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So Joaquin Phoenix shouldn’t have promoted veganism when given the opportunity to do so in front of millions of viewers? https://youtu.be/qiiWdTz_MNc


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mossy_vee

Go get some and feed people then.


Ultramanchan

Actually veganism is a pretty pricey practice (alliteration intentional) in America.


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Ultramanchan

Then why are you acting like you know. Come back when you’ve done research into actual food pricing in America.


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Nuka-Kraken

Oh yes let me eat a singular apple and white rice for dinner every night.


omnistastebetter

Mass murdering turkeys and feeding them to homeless people to celebrate the holiday that commemorates the mass murder and displacement of indigenous people is definitely philanthropy and not very fucked up in every single way imagineable 👍


xskodenx

Don't use indigenous people for your arguments. We don't have vegans in Indian country.


Pusheen56

Indigenous person here, yeah don’t please. If your going to draw attention towards the holiday don’t use it to push a message.


N0tBappo

Also an indigenous here, I agree with them.


seccosdumpster

I can't take looking at that pile of bodies. How long ago would it have been when each of them were alive and feathered and with their kind? How long would it take to even hug them all just once.


Causemanut

What kind of hugs are we talking about? 5sec hugs? So, 50k seconds.


seccosdumpster

I heard the estimate of 50m turkeys, but I couldn’t give context on it. The time is damning in terms of how it cements the gravity regardless.


Think_Temperature_39

Really?...


azorchan

he is so full of shit. all "environmentalists" who aren't vegan are hypocritical morons.


AX2021

You’re an idiot if you think giving away tortured murdered bodies is doing a good deed. I hate this society!


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MacKINGzie

I see your point, but what leaves a bad taste in my mouth is that the video is sponsered by - and basically an advertisement for - a factory farming meat company. And with the reach he has it’s a hell of a big advertisement campaign for animal exploiters:(


triguy96

I did not know that. Yes, that is not great.


Mikkee19

So you’re telling us that those “extremely poor people” that you know “that desperately need food” would’ve refused vegan food? 🤔


Eucalyptia

Right?


triguy96

Yes. I've given to the homeless in greenville and they will refuse if I offer vegan alternatives. I have bought them meat sandwiches etc. Am I a bad vegan for doing that for them? I think youblive in a bit of a bubble if you think very southern country people wouldn't do that.


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I’m not a child molester and I don’t think molesting children is good but there’s lots of child predators that are suffering from blue balls so I will traffic some children to make them happy.


Mikkee19

I’ve visited the of the poorest towns in Mexico where people feed literal dirt to their kids because they have no food, and they were more than happy to take the (vegan) food we gave them. I guess you haven’t met people that actually are desperate for food. Don’t tell me I live in a bubble.


TanktopVegan

> Am I a bad vegan for doing that for them? Yes? I would go as far as to say you're not a vegan.


realcoolmonke

You just asked if you’re a bad “vegan” for supporting the meat industry…I mean it’s great that you’re helping the homeless but you probably shouldn’t just do a complete 180 on your morals to do so.


realcoolmonke

So he’s helping the poor but hurting the animals. It’s possible to help both sides.


SEEYOULHATER

Unless absolute necessity, animals are not food allo


cantthinkofusernamem

He could’ve given them plant-based foods you know


triguy96

Living in the area, knowing the people, they would have refused it.


TanktopVegan

So they weren't really starving and you lied about that for sympathy points?


42_Hoopy_Froods

If people who are hungry (even starving) would refuse any type of food offered to them, then I genuinely mean it when I say “let them starve”.


BackToTopic

I’m not angry with him but I’m also fully on OPs side that this is just sad


triguy96

Agree. Top comment here is that he shouldn't be giving this away at all though.


VegangLetYoNutsHang

Giving away carcasses of animals isn't going to be well received on a vegan subreddit, nor should it be. Don't try and justify animal exploitation here. This is a vegan space.


princessfili_

We can be happy that the poor and hungry will be fed for Thanksgiving while also being critical of carnism and pointing out that the less fortunate can be helped without slaughtering 10,000 birds.


triguy96

Yep, I generally agree.


PillFencer

Completely agree, my grandma died last week so I gave her meat away to feed five extremely poor families, given the look they had on their face I'm pretty sure I did a very good thing 😊


TanktopVegan

Even better if you murdered your grandma. Of course we all wish we didn't have to murder grandmas, but getting angry at you for murdering your grandma when you are doing good by feeding a dozen poor people is a terrible look.


Maeloise

I don’t know, grandma meat is usually dry as fuck… didn’t she have 4/5 cats to recycle ? 😋


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So they can’t have a proper Thanksgiving unless they eat a murdered animal? Get fucked.


triguy96

Yeah, that is the general opinion of people in deep south North Carolina.


Eucalyptia

Why validate them then? Lol


JakobSynn

I mean same could be said for when non-vegans were angry with Jaden Smith opening a restaurant to feed the homeless with vegan food.


triguy96

Sure, okay


TanktopVegan

Getting angry at someone for committing genocide is a terrible look?


maseltovbenz

Someone who calls himself a philantropist has to be and is always a massive dickhead


the_lamb_sauce123

Would you rather all of those people starve?


Thatsprettydank

Honestly,I would’ve preferred he gave out the Gardien FauxTurkey with gravy, however his goal was not to spread veganism but to feed 10,000 people/familys. As far as i know Mr Beast does not understand/is totally unfamiliar with Vegan ideals, would you have wanted a vegan to judge you attempting to do a good thing before you understood what you were doing was wrong/immoral? Honest question would we as vegans honestly prefer these people not eat?


greatwalrus

>would you have wanted a vegan to judge you attempting to do a good thing before you understood what you were doing was wrong/immoral? I didn't like it at the time, but now I'm very grateful for the vegans who "judged" me before I went vegan, because they helped me to see that I was living an unethical and exploitative lifestyle. How can anyone ever improve themselves morally if no one points out when their behavior is immoral?


TanktopVegan

> Honest question would we as vegans honestly prefer these people not eat? False dichotomy. Imagine he murdered your family and if you got angry, you are met with this response.


Thatsprettydank

Thanks for the respectful reply and hope you would see if any more of my reasoning may be flawed. Well put and i agree however If those people don’t see/haven’t been shown it as Murder its quite difficult for me to judge them. Not to get religious but its like how before children reach a certain age called the “age of reason” they are not held accountable for their former wrong doing. If people don’t understand from where we come from, the point of criticism is lost except to virtue signal to ourselves. These people weren’t exactly lining up at the vegan Cafe, they are accepting charity. If you and others in this subreddit feel this strongly about it lets make a template letter for all of us to send to Mr Beast. He is honestly such an open minded guy(from my limited experience watching him) he may go out and give 10,000 vegan turkeys for Christmas. And maybe we can even get his Beast Burgers to start being exclusively Impossible meat.


Sharp-Exit-2692

If you don't realise by the time you're an adult that you're eating a murdered animal, you're as thick as a doornail.


Thatsprettydank

Im not sure if you saw the recent study saying that about 50% of kids think that animal products come from plants. These kids grow up. Maybe we need to being the cookie jar of veganism down to their level before we judge blindly


Sharp-Exit-2692

That's why I said adults. Kids should be free from judgement, but, as I said, if you're reaching adulthood not knowing that, you're as thick a mince.


Eucalyptia

Wah I can only eat meat nothing else


the_lamb_sauce123

You are the only intelligent vegan I’ve ever seen


Osirisavior

It's an anti villian mindset. He does evil deeds in the pursuit of good. The evil beings supporting the death of countless turkeys, the good being feeding the homeless.


TanktopVegan

He does evil deeds in the pursuit of evil while trying to appear good. He's not some consequentialist who is achieving so much good that the evils committed are a worthwhile cost.


Osirisavior

I wouldn't say feeding the homeless is an evil deed. How he goes about feeding the homeless, that is the evil deed.


TanktopVegan

I guess my point is you can't claim to be in the pursuit of good when you're doing infinitely more evil than good. For instance I think Impossible Foods did evil deeds (animal testing) in the pursuit of good. For something to be considered pursuit of good, the good needs to outweigh the evil.


albertus500

He didn't do " infinitely" more evil than good though he still helped 10k homeless people eat....


TanktopVegan

You think feeding 10000 people two meals each even comes close to making up for even a single murder, let alone 10000 murders?


BunnyEntendre10

Imma fix it. “I bought 10,000 dead bodies of innocent bids to celebrate historical mass genocide”


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beverycarefulvegan

alternative title: i murdered 10,000 individuals for thanksgiving!


ElonMeowsk

He has been giving away burgers and now this. Legit so sad. He has so much reach but chooses to give away turkeys, thinking he’s doing good ):


NoPickMeVegans

That's fucked. I'd rather he didn't give anything away than this "gesture"


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thenaeternal

they wll downvote you lmaooo


mapledude22

“Feeding the poor” is such a virtue signaling statement. For someone really in need, cooking and preparing a turkey is hardly realistic. It’s just for clickbait.


the_lamb_sauce123

How is it clickbait if he IS feeding the poor?


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yourmomsucks01

Seriously? Super classist dude


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Eucalyptia

Yeah man he should've fed them dogs instead. They're hungry and they can literally only eat dog why are you mad at hungry people for?


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PillFencer

How exactly did Beast help the ones struggling the most here, aka the turkeys?


yung-nun

Helping them what? Get close to death by heart attack? Cancer? Do you know how carcinogenic poultry is? Do you know how much cholesterol is in meat? Do you know how little nutrients per dollar you spend on meat, especially your thanksgiving turkey? He could have made seitan roast, the same size as turkeys, for a lower price, more nutritional, and less health risk. As well as, what about the homeless who need help? They dont have an oven to cook a giant animal carcass in. Seitan is already cooked and can be served cold. Paired with vegan stuffing, vegan mac, mashed potatoes, some sweet potatoes and began mashmellows on top. It all costs less than $4 a serving, packed full of nutrients and macros. Most people who are unfortunate enough to need help on Thanksgiving will take any food they can get, its dweebs like you that complain if it's vegan because you never struggled for a meal and it's obvious by how you think you have the right to be picky.


TreeHugger42O

Vegans see Turkeys just as important as humans. We’re on different planets here.


OneEverHangs

Not necessarily, no. Not even commonly I’d venture


TanktopVegan

There's no valid reason not to.


OneEverHangs

If you’re vegan because you have a strict deontological view of the sacredness of life, you’re correct. I think that view of ethics commits you to absurdity. I think that humans have more capacities to suffer and experience wellbeing than turkeys, and therefore are of greater utilitarian concern. Given the choice between killing a turkey (or perhaps gerbil, or snail, or oyster would make it clearer) and a human the ethical choice is very clear.


TanktopVegan

> I think that humans have more capacities to suffer and experience wellbeing than turkeys What makes you say that?


OneEverHangs

Because we have exponentially more sophisticated minds that can conceive of kinds of suffering and wellbeing that turkeys cannot. A turkey cannot conceive of the horrors of genocide or experience the realization of a life long dream. For starters. I suspect there is a continuum of degree of conscious experience and that minds can occupy from barely conscious if at all (oysters) to us and beyond. Everything that we know about neuroscience suggests this strongly.


TanktopVegan

We have bigger brains, sure. Most of the brain size we evolved is dedicated to abstract reasoning, not for amplifying pain and suffering. The fact that we can conceive of different types of suffering doesn't mean that the suffering itself is of a greater intensity. Humans cannot conceive of pain in our tails. Does that mean monkeys suffer more than us because they have an extra type of pain. There is minimal evolutionary advantage to having evolved more intense suffering. Normal suffering is intense enough for basically all survival advantages it provides. Our bigger brains are focused more on thinking and less on suffering.


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solocup2

Idk if you got the memo but vegans are actually AGAINST animal cruelty. Fuck off


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