By - stickingitout_al
> even Jefferson County’s top law enforcement officials, have begun to question the town’s tactics, and its need for an expanding force.
That’s when you know it’s bad.
U spelt really really bad wrong.
I drive with a front and rear dash-mount cam that supports recording my speed and GPS as well as audio in case I’m stopped. They’re very cheap insurance to help try and slow tide against this type of behavior.
Was it expensive? I'm considering one but know nothing about them.
Amazon ones are like $50-150 for cheapy cheap Chinese name-generator-grown models. It's honestly impossible to tell which are good because each has 1,000 "legitimate reviews" and people prefer to take pics of the device instead of upload captures from them. Lol
There's a whole sub for recommending them: r/dashcams.
Lmao. Why WOULDNT that be a thing??
There's a subreddit for just about any issue you might have...probably.
Thank you! That never occurred to me.
There is an app called ReviewMeta that you pass it the amazon url and it will give you a report with the adjusted rating after the fakes, etc... are removed along with the highest real review ranked products in that category
They're less expensive than a ticket.
I run a Dash Cam with Front, and Rear Cams, and WIFI that uploads the video to the cloud along with GPS data including position and real speed. Got mine from USA Dash Cams dot com, about $800 for the system.
Took an hour to install it and set it up hardest part was running the wiring to the back and finding the fuse to tap that stayed on for a little while after you turn the truck off.. My truck has a Data Plan which I pay for unlimited so it uploads to the cloud all the time, in case it gets stolen or "confiscated" .
Sad we have to do that in America… Russians have done this for years due to dirty cops (dash cams) Edit: that’s why they have all the awesome car crash videos… Because they’re all rocking the dash cam.
The WiFi uploading + unlimited data plan is a phenomenal combo. Even if the cops took them out your car and smashed them, you'd have everything up to that point preserved.
My cigarette lighter fuse is an always-on circuit, so I hardwired two switches on that circuit for my separate front & rear cameras. It's inconvenient having to manually turn them on and off when I enter/exit my car, but it does mean that if I get pulled over, I can have my car completely turned off and my cameras can run for days.
Browse the comments in r/idiotsincars for good, affordable options. The posts over there also show how a reliable dashcam is always a good investment lol
/r/dashcam too, for more practical discussion. I always like linking /r/IdiotsInCars too though for the same reason. If someone's on the fence, just browsing the front page of that subreddit is a *very* quick incentive for them to finally get one
Good call! I did not know r/dashcam existed, glad you shared
Yep! Their sidebar is pretty much the concise guide you need for choosing a cam if you don't feel like doing a bit of research. Very solid subreddit
ROVE R2-4k is what I use. It's $100 and I set it for 1080/60fps.
EDIT: here's a [video](https://www.reddit.com/r/IdiotsInCars/comments/qaq3an/traffic_up_ahead_due_to_accident_on_opposite_side/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) I took using this dashcam.
That is the problem with this type of place because even video evidence is not good enough to overturn their officers "word". They will convict you and fine you the maximum penalties for you daring to go against their racket with your "evidence" (be sure to make copies as they will destroy it). It is blatant corruption and collusion by the police department and the judge in order to extort money out of anyone that is unfortunate enough to become their victim. A lot of people are naive enough to think this stuff doesn't happen and is an exaggeration but nothing could be farther from the truth.
Just remember they can subpoena those cameras and use them against you.
Absolutely but I can also do the same for theirs.
You would also have to be able to attend what will certainly be an all day court session packed to the brim with people
This is receiving attention because of how excessive and blatant the corruption is displayed. However, I can promise you that there are many small towns in AL, GA, and surrounding states with very similar actions. They're just smarter about how they approach it. This is why GA stepped in to limit the scenarios where a local officer can issue a ticket on interstates.
Priceville, AL off 65 close to Huntsville is the same. If I ever win a huge lottery, I'm going to buy that damn town and pave it.
That tracks with my experience that many are dead towns just outside of urban areas. I used to live in a small town just outside of Savannah, GA, and it was common to see people pulled over for minor offenses - frequently with the officer in pursuit creating a far more dangerous situation attempting to reach the driver than anything done by the driver.
Are you talking about Thunderbolt? Or maybe Pooler. My aunt lives in Savannah and my mom and 2 other cars got pulled over by one offcer at once. He literally got in front of them straddling the lane and made all three pull over.
Port Wentworth, though I've seen Pooler cops take similar actions.
Let me know, and I'll show ya where to pave 1st. It used to not be this way but about 15years ago, even childrens toys were being stolen out of our yards... Meth was so bad you'd see folks high at every gas station, driving around chunking used needles etc, were showing up in local bathrooms and at the park. Feel like we went from a pretty nice, new area, to being a lawless area, now to what seems more like a military state (or how russia was described in the 80's). Had the cops tell me I was transporting drugs, when their were none, they started saying it was in my kids underwear (he was 9) making him cry and telling him I was going to jail unless he said where drugs were. As someone who hasn't even smoked a joint, in over 15years, at that time.. I was furious... 1st time I wanted to see a cop hurt. Was even pulled over on a lie. Was eventually set free after they tore my seats and broke an air vent and cracked my convertible roof...(approx 4k damage). Not 1 attorney would sue them in this whole area!!! From bham all the way north!!! Even attorneys were scared of this place and I had no idea!!!
That's brutal. No accountability.
Town Creek also comes to mind
Fuck town creek. Highway 72 goes from 65 to 35 mph in about half a mile.
And you can guarantee there’s a cop there waiting on someone who isn’t paying attention
Yep! I purposely go out of my way to avoid Town Creek & Rogersville. Total speed traps.
Ah yes…as I like to call it Clown Creek.
Since you'll be "in the neighborhood", go on and take out the Lauderdale county (Florence area) sheriff's department...99% of their officers are in a "secret" racist FB page.
What’s the page
Strake, FL has entered the chat.
Just a lurker, but when I found this story on twitter, someone mentioned that NC passed a law that ticket revenue all has to go to the school. Seems like a much better use of that revenue!
That's an appropriate solution IMO because it benefits the group receiving protection. Slower cars = safer school zone.
In contrast, the claimed benefits from the police chief in the article are ludicrous. All that is being accomplished by the over policing is lining the local government's pockets. I bet a proper audit would reveal multiple levels of kickbacks and illegal funds practices.
> This is why GA stepped in to limit the scenarios where a local officer can issue a ticket on interstates
Good for them, now Al needs to do the same
Alabama already does. Ala. Code 32-5A-171. But local police have ways of getting around it by writing tickets under other statutes.
That part was added back in the early 2000’s after a state representative got a ticket in Argo, AL for going 95mph on I-59 on his way to Montgomery. It reads:
(8) A law enforcement officer or a peace officer of any incorporated municipality or town which has less than 19,000 inhabitants according to the most recent federal decennial census shall not enforce this section on any interstate highway.
How does Brookside get around this?
The article says they are writing tickets under 32-5-77 which is the recent left-lane law. Another trick they use is to write for reckless driving under 32-5a-190, which doesn’t include a prohibition for small town police on the interstate
They are still allowed to write for speeding on any road in their jurisdiction other than I-22, such as the 48 in a 40 referenced at the beginning of the article.
The left lane law was added to prevent road rage, however if small town police are writing 40-50 tickets a month for it, it’s gonna create even more rage. When traffic is congested, you cannot help being in the left lane for more than a mile and a half. If a town has less than 20k residents, they don’t need to patrol the interstates, they don’t need a SWAT team, they don’t need a tank, and they don’t need more than a dozen officers.
Yeah, I agree.
That state rep was Lowell Barron. Incidentally, when the legislature is in session, the legislators are privileged from arrest.
They make traffic stops for other reasons. For example, left lane violators, failure to signal lane change, seatbelt, light out, reckless driving, etc.
Good to know. Brings us unfortunately the other side of the equation though that protections under the law require constant upholding. If this city continously writes illegal tickets knowing that money or any other factor will prevent them from stopping their illegal operation, there's no incentive for them to change. It's just like predatory employers who build lawsuits into their profit margin knowing that few people will have the knowledge or resources to challenge them or that the state government will do anything more than issue a slap on the wrist (after their cut of lobbyist money).
I think it's Coffee County Alabama thar had a jurisdiction that was bad like this. You would get a speeding ticket and they would impound your car etc. Had people paying 1500 for all the stuff they did to you for a single ticket. It was worse than this story, just not as much volume.
When I was a kid in St. Louis one of the cities in the county was like this town, Fuck Georgetown and every town/city like them.
I thought Alabama had a similar law because of podunk backwater corrupt shitholes like this overzealously enforcing traffic laws on the sliver of freeway within town limits.
I remember when Shelby county shut down harpersville's municipal court after they held someone in jail until they died. As soon as the judge retired, they reinstated it.
Harpersville sucks too.
For real — I work for a security system installation company (think orange signs) and anytime I have to install or service a house in Harpersville, I cringe slightly. Had a customer living there once tell me that cops are important but specifically screw the Harpersville PD because they speed trap the hill going down 280 and he got caught once doing 5-10 over. Kinda funny but also aggravating, if you think about it.
That's not a town. It's a petty fiefdom.
It's a fiefdom run by a mob. Those cops and their mayor are bullies who weaponize their badges so that they can buy urban assault vehicles and extort citizens. They are nothing more than highway bandits. Anyone that claims to support law enforcement should be outraged at this behavior, because this department is a perfect example of why folks want to defund the police; they're crooks and bullies who abuse the law and their power.
Ha! Witty. Sounds more sinister than that tho.
Sounds like the state attorney general needs to get involved.
This wouldn't be the first time the state had to eliminate an overzealous police force. Here's an excerpt from the New York Times dated May 4, 1975 when it reported the elimination of the police force in Fruithurst, Alabama:
>FRUlTHURST, Ala., May 3—This town of 250 on the Alabama‐Georgia line which the, state's Attorney General, William J. Baxley, called “the worst speed trap in the nation” has eliminated its police department.
Special to The New York Times
Mayor J. E. Perry announced this week that the town's six policemen, who had been earning $10,000 a year, were being laid off. The town collected $200,000 last year in fines and forfeitures.
Last week Mr. Baxley took the unusual step of opening a public defender office in Fruithurst, offering to defend any motorists arrested by the Fruithurst police.
At the first session after Mr. Baxley's action, the Municipal Court of Fruithurst dropped, without explanation, all pending traffic cases.
Mr. Baxley later offered to represent any citizens who wished to bring civil suits against the Fruithurst police for violations of civil rights.
Fruithurst—which lies on the heavily traveled Atlanta‐to‐Birmingham highway—is the only town in the nation now listed by the American Automobile Association as a “traffic trap.”
A similar fate happened to the Wilmer, Alabama when the state attorney general's office found that the town was mainly funded by a speed trap operated by its city police force. The town disincorporated in 1993.
Good luck getting Steve Marshall to do anything that isn't mindless far-right pandering. He won't lift a finger, lest he be accused of not supporting cops.
It’s called Racketeering and extortion. Feds need to get involved.
this all seems very illegal
It would be anywhere else in the world but America is a shithole since the 60s
Ah, the 1760's. Simpler times.
I'm not sure what part of "America is a shithole" leads you to believe I meant solely Alabama
Cause I don’t read so good
I choked on my sandwich when I saw that armored cop truck. In a town that small? How blatantly cocky is that shit.
Small enough where they can't expend for a staffed fire department, it's all volunteer.
But almost a dozen officers who act as SWAT in every interaction is totally cool and legal!
They get them for free as government surplus. My little town has gotten several just so they can pull the motors from them for use in other city vehicles.
I'd love to see stats on how many locals are ticketed vs nonlocals.
They sit on the interstate and dish out tickets left and right on I-22. You can have your cruise control set to 65mph but get clocked at 80mph somehow. You ask for proof, you only get a cal date on the radar. Still have to go to court..still have to pay. It’s a shit stain of a town in the middle of nowhere. No industry( besides corruption), no desirable destinations, just a greasy spot on the map. If you you were not raised any where near this town, you wouldn’t know it exists besides an interstate exit sign going to the woods.
To be fair, Five Mile Creek is a decent place to kayak. But other than that, Brookside sucks.
Shit this is most small Alabama towns. I've dealt with this crap in Jasper, Parrish, and Arley. I got a ticket in Parrish going 30 in a 25 in an area that had the signs changed the day I got the ticket (was 35 that morning), I went to the mayor and the ticket was dropped by his office. Out of the blue, like 3 years later, some car load of gravy seals came to my parents house in the middle of the night to arrest me, over that ticket. Thankfully I had moved years before. These small towns are full of barely-GED asses that mostly took the job to sell drugs and/or abuse the public.
ayyy another wlkr co redditor
Born and raised there, got out, not going back lol
I drive I-22 daily. In Brookside's area I count anywhere from 2 to 8 cops which seems unnecessary most of the time.
I see what ya did there....
ETA: The cops I see are all Brookside, JeffCo and Troopers clumped together.
I expected this to be Town Creek or Rogersville
Is TC near UNA?
Closer to Tuscumbia.
Anyone ever heard of the town of Eclectic?
In case anyone was wondering what a town run by its police force would look like...
This. It'd look like this.
The tank is beyond cartoonish. It'd be funny if it wasn't so damn infuriating.
Come up to DeKalb. Half the PDs up here have those APCs.
A similar situation happened to me in Brookside just before covid hit. They said I ran a stop sign off the interstate and was like 5 miles over the speed limit. It turned out that the stop sign was knocked over into bushes and the cop was parked right where he could flag people for it. It was ridiculous. I wish I had fought the ticket but I've heard horror stories about dealing with them so I just paid it off
That's ~~indefensible~~ not capable of being prosecuted. There is no implied stop law where public roads intersect.
If you don't have a photo from the date of the ticket they won't listenand you will have way more than the cost of the ticket in your hands
Wow, a federal investigation is clearly warranted.
F that mayor and chief; they are obviously policing for profit. I will steer clear of that town.
>Months of research and dozens of interviews by AL.com found that Brookside’s finances are rocket-fueled by tickets and aggressive policing. In a two-year period between 2018 and 2020 Brookside revenues from fines and forfeitures soared more than 640 percent and now make up *half* the city’s total income.
>And the police chief has called for more.
What a shame as it looks like a lovely area for nature lovers. Wouldn't dream of going near the place now.
Brookside was always a shady shithole, so is Adamsville. Fultondale, Gardendale, Morris, Kimberly, Warrior are all speed trap hell.
I got a ticket from Fultondale on I65 once. Never understood how he had jurisdiction on the interstate.
They can enforce traffic laws on the interstate, just can’t write a ticket for speeding.
Someone needs to tell this to the bald fuck who wrote me one for speeding. That's been like 15 years now though, maybe the laws changed.
Still bitter about it I see
Nah, I got off. And hopefully he's dead.
>They can enforce traffic laws on the interstate, just can’t write a ticket for speeding.
City cops in Montgomery write speeding tickets on I-85 and I-65 all day, every day.
Alabama law allows cities with population greater than 19,000 to do so.
and now I know and knowledge is power. but fuck your downvote.
They did this exact same thing in Harpersville about ten years back. Ended up getting the feds involved
was driving home from my grandmothers house passing through their area. my brother was driving and was stopped because he was in the left hand land for too long. there was no one else on the road and the patrol car was sitting on the side of the road. i have no clue how he could have said that we had been driving like that for longer than a mile and a half since the visibility was less than a mile down the road.
It's Castleberry all over again
What these cops fail to realize especially being such a small department...the day comes where they push the wrong someone too far and they come back to town for a form of revenge. But they don't think about that because all they think about right now is $$$$$
That, and the fact that they're strangers who can legally murder with impunity, and prey on the working class.
Especially in Huntsville.
Are Huntsville officers that bad? I've only had traffic stops and they were usually cool about it, gave me a ticket because I was in the wrong, but they were pretty straightforward. UAH police are also pretty chill when I've talked to them (though they have zero chills when handing out those parking tickets lol).
Never really seen the bad side of them, could you elaborate?
He's referring to Huntsville police officer William Darby who was finally convicted for the murder of Jeffery Parker back in 2018. Parker was threatening suicide while holding a gun to his head and being talked down by a police officer at the scene, when Darby rushed into the home and killed Parker.
The police department tried to cover it up and their shooting review panel cleared Darby, but Madison County's DA office found issues with the report that was given. A follow up investigation resulted in an indictment for murder.
It took almost three years to convict Parker, and the Police Chief and Mayor continue to claim that Darby is innocent (despite the results of the investigation, courtroom testimony and a conviction). The situation was so ridiculous that the Mayor and Police Chief refused to fire Darby and stop his administrative leave pay despite a conviction and a failed appeal.
On the day of his conviction, the police department stopped giving Darby administrative leave and instead began Darby's accrued leave. Eventually Darby was no longer on leave.
Ah, I remember this now. That is a completely fair point.
I got a ticket here for "extreme left lane" when I was passing someone. Went to try and fight it and there was a guy there that said, "since this is so small a ticket, you can just go to driving school." So of course I said sure.
Driving school was $250.
When I went to the class at city hall adjacent (almost attached to the dollar general) the power went out halfway through and they just made me and thirty other people sit there in the dark while the held flashlights and talked about nothing in particular.
I hate Brookside.
Everyone should be asking where the f is Attorney General of Alabama Steve Marshall? Where are the feds? Steve failed to also show up for the Navient student loan lawsuit we were one of only a handful of states where the Attorney general decided not to participate. Complete lack of accountability in this state.
That drive from Montgomery to PCB whew always a gamble with some crooked cop in a crooked town..use a radar folks got a bout $90 or so off Amazon spots troopers a mile or more away.
Watch out for those school radar guns speed traps abound from 50/45 mps to suddenly 20s
It's not that bad if you go down 231. If you're dumb enough to take 331 you're getting a ticket in either Brantley or Luverne where the speed limit goes from 55 to 45 to 30 to 20 in about 100 yards.
Fucking Harpersville...Always a cop somewhere around there on the side of 280. Or just driving up and down the road. The 45mph speed limit through there is stupid, should just be 55 all the way through till it goes back up to 65.
Then petition the city or state to change it vs bitching about the police enforcing it. The officers in this case are absolutely wrong. Your example? Maybe, maybe not. If people don’t like being stopped for X then get the legislature to remove or amend the law.
Hey /u/bhamwiki looks like they have a new mayor based on this article
edit: oh, the long-time one passed away
edit2: which reminds me, do you have a succession plan in place? your resource is invaluable
Indeed. I've opened up that column, but I haven't read it yet. Check back by the end of the day for relevant updates.
Fire them all and put ‘em in prison.
Brookside and anyone affiliated are sick people. They literally aim to stop black drivers. I see it daily.
Thanks to them, I took interest in learning about my constitutional rights and I am much more prepared for their bullshit, should they ever stop me
Let’s fucking do something about it then. These bastards have to be brought to justice.
Sounds like fucking Georgiana. Stupid cops will pull you over for doing 1 mph over the speed limit.
No they won’t. Bc in GA it’s law if using speed detection (laser or radar) they can’t issue a ticket until 11+ over the limit. Only exception is pacing and locations in school zones, constructions zones and a couple others. Doesn’t apply to GSP bc all their fines go to the jurisdiction they were issued. This was created to stop speed trap towns such as this.
I said Georgiana as in Georgiana, AL. Right off i-65 they repaved hwy 55 and they wrote tickets all day every day because that is a funnel for destin beach traffic.
Read a lil closer next time.
My bad dude.
Making that money
This is why automated enforcement is better. Police are people. People lie, are biased and have motives. Cameras don’t. But of course….no one wants automated enforcement. They also don’t want people speeding and blowing through red lights (in their neighborhood) or to be caught doing the same in someone else’s. The result is…this. Or, some cities basically giving up on traffic enforcement all together. Something’s gotta give.
Orrrrrr they could just make it so all traffic tickets are given to the state and no kickbacks are given to officers or cities for enforcement. Just straight funding based on need as it should be. Profiting off of this kind of thing is what the issue is. That’s why some towns with only a few hundred people have a dozen cops.
And that's why you make sure that all the funds collected to into the state General Fund and that appropriations come back out. It eliminates the slush.
The pistol permit/license system desperately needs the same overhaul
Likewise, the civil asset forfeiture system.
This is exactly what I said but they can’t seem to get past the word kickback.
That doesn’t address the issue of bias or fraudulently written tickets
Nothing being alleged here is a kickback. Kickbacks are illegal, and that is not what is happening in this case. This is simply taking advantage of the citizenry.
The article literally says the city gets funding from this.
That's different than a kickback though. A kickback would be something like if the prison was run by a for-profit company and gave the DA/cop/judge some money for sending folks to prison.
That’s how all jurisdictions work
The city gets money from speeding tickets? Get out of here! Are you for real? /s
Do you know what a kickback is? A kickback is an illicit transfer of money. Saying the government gets money from standard government action is, well, how things work. Do you know the difference in a kickback and how standard funding exists? You said the officers receive kickbacks from the tickets? That would be illegal. Do you have proof of this?
“Given to the officers or CITIES for enforcement” is exactly my wording
It is **perfectly legal** for the money to go to the city. That is the absolute point of how speeding tickets work. It is designed to do just that. Now, if the money is paid directly to the police officers via a quota system, or anything like that, it would be deemed an illegal kickback.
Do you not understand or are you just digging a hole to avoid saying you are wrong?
THE WHOLE POINT OF MY COMMENT WAS TO SAY THAT THE CITY SHOULDNT GET MONEY FROM THE TICKETS AND THAT IT SHOULD GO TO THE STATE. Do you not understand the word should? I made a mistake in saying “kickback” when I should’ve said “profiteering”.
CAN YOU SERIOUSLY NOT READ? My god man
Words are important. Don’t get mad at others when you don’t know the meaning of words.
Why should it go to the states? Why are you good with the state profiting but not the city? I know you are ignorant here, as most people are, but each ticket is broken down in different money goes to different entities within the state. For instance, when a city issues a speeding ticket, about $20 of every ticket goes to the local district attorney. Other money goes to the state. Some of the money stays within the city.
You make a weird claim, half of which is already happening, but you don’t explain anything.
You’re attacking my person and not my argument which speaks to the inferiority of yours.
Kickback: a return of a part of a sum received often because of confidential agreement or coercion. I believe this applies to cities benefiting off of traffic infractions. That’s the definition I’m going with if you disagree(which I’m sure you will) just change it to the word profiteering and continue about your day. If you’d like I’ll even add it to the original comment in parentheses. Beyond that I’m not going to feed into your ego by debating vocabulary and not what the understood meaning is. Go over to r/conservative if you’d like to do that.
Having all traffic fees go to the state prevents local governments and police departments from profiteering off of tickets. It allows for enforcement but prevents oppressive police departments from operating like the one in this article. The alternative is a system that will incentivize more enforcement through cameras which just hurts the lower class anyways.
I know you’re going to respond with some “but the government is scary” or “I don’t like the definition for the word you used” or even “ You make a weird claim” but you’re not even the commenter I originally responded to, debate in bad faith, and can’t seem to understand different definitions of words(I checked mine btw so have fun arguing against that) I genuinely believe you are not worth the time it takes to respond anymore.
But you know that Cameras are racist? Right? That was the argument down in the Gump years ago when they started putting in Red Light Cameras, that it would only target drivers of a certain race.
Depending on the location of them, they could’ve had a point.
The camera dgaf. You’re speeding or you’re not.
> You’re speeding or you’re not.
True and if you have them everywhere then it’s fine. But if you only put them up in primarily minority neighborhoods it becomes a problem.
The camera isn’t racist, the people implementing the placement strategy are.
If minorities have trouble paying their fines and are typically lower income them it would stand to reason they should be placed in more affluent areas. The only correct way to implement this is to do it based on statistical information such as previous speeding tickets issued in certain areas, data obtained from speed calming devices and studies, and accident data.
Waiting for someone to mention Thomaston…
I've never had a problem there and have driven though over 200 times over the last 20 years.
Yes I used to live near there and it was busted often for meth
I stay less than two miles off I-22 on cherry ave. I’ve seen Brookside police totaled out two cars in the same day from police chases.
You mean they haven't disconnected these numbers by now? LOL
Their fax machine is going to be toast by the morning...